i bought a refurbed c240 at my local microcenter for 25 bucks.it is arguably the best 25 bucks i have spent on a pmp. you can just drag and drop to the player from your computer, xp, vista and win 7 recognize it out of the box. for a cheap player it does all that it should, battery life is fine. and i put a 2 gb card into it to expand it to a fine little garage player thru a set of old computer speakers i had laying around. I suggest to put alternative firmware - rockbox to it. Best pleayer