Would you buy an Apple HDTV?
TVs tend to be something people buy relatively infrequently -- I bought my last HDTV about six years ago -- would you be worried about being saddled with a TV that in a couple of years would seem out-of-date or that couldn't be upgraded with the latest software?
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That said, in smaller form factors, it could make sense. I like Sony's Playstation display. Seemed like just the thing for dorm rooms.
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So, no.
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So no, I wouldn't buy one. I don't think they are going to release one anyway, but I don't see adding $99 functionality into what's becoming commodity hardware is really an opportunity for Apple, especially when they would have to deal with long product cycles and count on partners/Frenemies (like Samsung and LG) to produce the screens.
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Personally, I've always wanted my television to be a dumb monitor. After 4.5 years it even still bugs me that my 60" TV has huge speakers on the sides. I want a TV to display a picture, and leave the rest up to me.
I'm a big gadget geek (that's why I'm here, after all), and as I said, I haven't upgraded my TV in 4.5 years. The average person is going to have theirs for even longer. The market for connected home theater devices has advanced so much in just the last three years, that buying something today and expecting it to last 5 to 8 years seems absurd.
Granted, you could simply buy an add-on box when the components inside the TV eventually get outdated, but then why have it built into the TV in the first place? Heck, the current Apple TV is so darn small, you can mount it to the back of a current set and still have plenty of room for most wall mounts. Why does it have to be built in?
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The reason that I wouldn't want a TV that can run apps is because it'll be outdated in no time as the OS for that TV will require better specs from that TV. Like you pointed out, most people will buy TVs on a very infrequent basis and I'd like to keep it that way.
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And there is the rub...Apple does not work and play well with others. If you get nothing but Apple products, they are all happy and fine working together, but if you want to make them work happily with other company's products there are always a ton of additional costs, lots of fiddling, and even then there are issues and problems. So I have to assume an Apple television would be the same...happy to work with iTunes, not so happy about my X-box. Happy to sell me media, not so happy to have me streaming it for free or for a subscription cost that THEY aren't getting.
So no...I wouldn't buy an Apple TV for the same reason I am highly unlikely to buy another Mac and unlikely to buy an iPhone 5 or another iPod Touch. Apple is determined to eliminate choices and lock people into their ecosystem. Their behavior is overwhelmingly against working and playing well with other hardware and software in general. I am a supporter of Open Source (indeed, I'm writing this from within Linux) but not a zealot, and I am all for Apple doing well as a company. I don't want them to give their products away. But the more they act like they are the only show on the road the more they lose my dollars. Example: I would pay a premium to run OSX on whatever hardware I wanted; I would be willing to pay far more than it costs on the Mac. I would be willing to pay double the price on the Mac for being able to watch iTunes content on any media player (so I could stream via my X-box). I would be willing to pay extra for naturally unlocked/Jailbroken iOS, where every patch didn't break my install. But I don't even get the choice...no matter how much I am willing to pay, I can't. That's a bad business practice, IMO. You're either in or you're out as far as Apple is concerned, and maybe that is cool for people who want to be told what to do, but I prefer to decide what hardware and software works best to suit my needs. By trying to lock me in on so many levels they lose my dollars.
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This past decade saw a sea change as we transitioned from NTSC and composite connectors to ATSC/ClearQAM and HDMI. During that transition would have been the best time for Apple to attempt to enter the market and try to influence standards. That time has passed, and I think it won't be until the next round of connectivity changes come around that we might potentially see Apple enter that market.
That's not to say there isn't ample room for innovation that Apple could capitalize on. Apple is best at reducing complex activities into simple user actions. I think if Apple could find a clever way to unify all of that equipment in your living room (television, tuner, cable box, internet streamer, local network sources, amplifier, remotes) they could have a winner. I love my setup, but it isn't user friendly. When grandma or the babysitter comes by, I always get that concerned like "Oh good criminy, how do I even change channels on this thing?!"
Apple is great at delivering an excellent user experience straight out of the box. That's something you don't get out of a lot of home theater equipment as it requires quite a bit of tweaking and adjusting until you get the top notch experience you are looking for. If Apple were able to deliver a HDTV with an excellent out of box experience that reduced user confusion, I think I would definitely consider spending a 10-15% premium to get it.
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My fear with apple is they will make the TV a forced upgrade every couple years because something won’t run on it anymore and for TV I don’t think it’s worth the cost.
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I don't mean to be so 'doom and gloom' about this and I'm as excited to see what the likes of Jony Ive could do in other verticals from a design standpoint. But it just doesn't make sense. This is less 'iPod' and 'iPad' and more 'iPod Hi-Fi' and 'Xserve'.
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1) I am very happy with my Samsung plasma I have now and see no reason to upgrade with in the next 5-10 years. (3D is a fad)
2)All I want my TV to do is provide an excellent picture and have plenty of inputs. Putting any kind of extra smarts in a TV is a mistake because as peter stated "TVs tend to be something people buy relatively infrequently", see #1. Technology moves faster than this and the TV will be out of date very quickly. I don't want to by a new $1500 TV every 2 years because it's got "Netflix Plus" or whatever in it. I want to continue using my perfectly good TV and buy a new $100-$200 box to attach to it every year or 2 that will give me access to new products and services.
3)Any TV made by Apple would invariably cost at least 30% more than an equivalent TV from Sony, Samsung, or LG. As I have said, to me they will not be able to justify this with built in software, because I don't want it anyway. The only thing that could compete on is Design and I happen to think Samsung's TV are pretty slick already. So there is not much for them to do there either.
Apple should leave the TV making to those who already do it so well and focus on improving the services on future Apple TV boxes.
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Software is going to be the key point of the device, so with a stable hardware platform behind it, I don't see why they couldn't provide many years of updates. It's not like TVs are making huge leaps and bounds technologically every few years (sure, they get thinner, but the basic hardware advancements - decoding, interlacing, etc. - are generally only evolutionary in nature), so if they don't try to constantly add too many features and provide occasional updates (codecs, new services), I can see this as a good product for consumers.
Apple may have not wanted to do that in the past due to "accounting restrictions" that prevented adding new features, but I really think that has just been code for wanting to sell new hardware. With the iTunes Store baked into this TV, that gives them a constant money stream (in theory), so even though they might not sell as many new units several years down the road, they would still be providing their existing & paying customers with updates that will continue to entice them with new features (= new ways to give Apple money).
As someone in the market for a new TV and without an Apple TV at the moment, any development in this direction would very much be in my interests...
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That said, I think a lot of purchasing decisions would hinge on how compatible it is with other set-top boxes. While there's a very real benefit to being up front with what the TV can do, it'll also emphasize the things it can't do. Do Vizio TVs have a built-in way to support Hulu+? No idea. Would I know if the Apple HDTV supported Hulu+? Probably. So, if I know I'm buying a TV that will exclude me from certain services, that would likely be a detractor. If there are going to be compatibility issues with add-on boxes and the TV, it might make a lot of people think twice.
It would also have a lot to do with the interface that drives the whole thing. It seems like a bit of a no-brainer, I guess, in any conversation about Apple. I don't think it's enough to stick Apple TV software and Airplay into a panel and expect that to march them out the door. Especially when you can just buy an Apple TV as cheaply as you can right now.
There's also the very real issue of price. When it comes to PCs, Apple offers a tangibly different experience at a premium. Unless they're offering something groundbreaking, that justification goes away. They likely won't be catering to the die-hard high-end guys, which would leave them afloat in a sea of competition. A huge number of TV decisions are made in a very Black Friday frame of mind. Why? Because if the screen is good enough, you can just add on whatever you want later. Apple isn't exactly Black Friday friendly, which might make the price disparity seem enormous to most consumers, while they fall short of the high-end AV guys that don't care about the extra price.
Having said all of that, I'd actually be a little surprised to see an Apple HDTV. Much of their success in recent history has been due to them getting into the game early. They're so successful in the App Store arena because they were so early. They got the iPad out before the hordes of other tablets and it's paid off big time. Jumping into a market where they're already way behind and where such a huge part of the decision making process is driven purely by specs and price would seem a little out of character in my eyes.
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That being said, I cannot think of much they can do with an Apple HDTV, that cannot be done via a set-top box like Apple TV. Then again, maybe that's why I don't work at Apple :)
Oh and regarding your question - If they would release such a product, I would probably buy it in a second :)
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I'd rather stick a $99 Apple TV on the back of an appliance I'm planning on keeping around a long time.
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Looking at it from a different angle, this would be a bad move on Apple's part when it comes to product support. I am a former Genius and I cant imagine people bringing a 40"+ TV to the Genius Bar and then the support team having to ship it off for repair. That would be an incredible waste of resources. The simplicity of the Apple TV is that the repair process is nearly the same as the iPhone 4 (Restore / Replace) and I cant imagine adding the complexity of a large TV to that process.
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On the other hand I have an ipod that hasn't had a software upgrade since I bought it and I have a laptop that while 9 years old at this point is still working... but I can't upgrade it and haven't been able to for the past 2 years because Apple gave up support for it. So the screen looks good and all but I can't even run a current version of itunes on it. That level of support is not what I am looking for in a TV. A TV is an appliance like a fridge or stove. You replace it when it breaks or when you really need to get a new one because the current one doesn't fit your needs. Not every 2 years just because they don't want to make the software work on it. I would rather pay the $99 and buy a little box so that in 2 years when they decide mine is too old i am only out $99 instead of $999 or more likely $1999. Because if anyone thinks they are going to be able to get into a living room size Apple HDTV for under $2000 they are just kidding themself.
But then the Apple TV just isn't a compelling product for me. The Windows Media Center experience is just so much better than all the Cable company set top boxes and most of the streaming set top boxes I just am not willing to leave it. Being able to record more than 20 hours of HD content puts it leaps and bounds above most of the STBs. The netflix integration is very slick. Adding in a blue ray drive so that I only have one device and thus one remote to deal with makes it so wife friendly that when I tried to go to a comcast STB to get HD content she was the one that vetoed it and sent it back being happier to deal with SD and a more pleasant experience.
Keep the TV part and make a better Apple TV. I would really like to see what they could do partnering with something like Lagato with the eyetv product so that you could record tv and provide an Apple level 10 foot interface.
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Over time, I think they may be able to successfully deliver a competitive product, but as we've seen with the Apple Hi-Fi, Apple just isn't cut out for the peripheral market.
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I bought a Westinghouse LVM-42w2 about 5 years ago and it was 1700 dollars then. It's just a giant 1080p HDMI computer monitor. It has great color, enough inputs, and I could care less about getting over the air tv. I use my ps3 to stream netflix and other movies/shows, and have hooked up a media center to it.
So my case would probably be against. If by some reason I had the ability to spend the amount of money an Apple HDTV would probably command, I'd spend it on a Canon 5d MKII or put it towards the lowest end RED cam, or a trip to Europe or something.
Until something truly comes out that blows my mind I won't be upgrading. I do sometimes wish I had a 60" because my living room is fairly big, but I love my tv. Its been perfectly calibrated and looks great! No need for another.
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I'm not an Apple fan boy by any means, but they do have a history of making great products and supporting them for quite a while. This would obviously be a premium product, and it would surprise me if it followed the same product refresh structures as other Apple products.
In short, if the price is right, and it launched with some amazing proprietary software and enough inputs to support a cable box/gaming console/what have you, I would probably go for it.
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HDTV's are items that one can expect to be discounted in this day and age and Apple rarely, if ever, allows their products to be sold at a discount. Can't see this product being a success unless their target market is the type of customer is one who buys Bang & Olufson tv's.
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If Apple could come up with a way kind of like CableCard where you could update the equivalent of the Apple TV box, that might change my mind but they have been going the other direction lately of making things harder to upgrade (planned obsolescence). Another good feature would be if you could use the Apple TV as a monitor as well as a TV (with a wireless option like AirPlay).
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Having a TV become outdated quickly is a turn off as well, plus the concept of having apps on a TV doesn't excite me. It seems we've gotten to where we except everything to have an "app" of some kind. While I certainly don't hate apps it's not always practical to have them in everything such as a TV.
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The other side of the coin are people like me who consider picture quality to be the ultimate factor when choosing a display. All any TV needs to do is look good. I tend to want my AV components to do the one thing their supposed to do and do it well. I really dislike the trend of putting anything in a TV that is going to make it cost more because I tend to not use it. I'm more inclined to choose a TV based on budget, room size, lighting conditions, then whether or not it has a Yahoo weather widget, but first it’s got to have a great picture.
I don’t think Apple will make an HDTV. I have a hard time coming up with what Steve might think he can do with a TV that would set his display apart from the myriad of other quality models from a long list of reputable manufactures. Apple makes some beautiful hardware, but what really sets them apart from their competition is the interactive part of their products. TV’s just don’t have enough interaction for Apple to shine.
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