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What do you think of Microsoft's UI for File Explorer in Windows 8?

Over at the "Building Windows 8" development blog, Microsoft engineers have posted some screenshots of the UI for File Explorer in Windows 8. It's... err... interesting.

Screenshots:
1. blogs.msdn.com­/cfs­-filesystemfile.ashx­/­_­_key­/commu...
2. blogs.msdn.com­/cfs­-filesystemfile.ashx­/­_­_key­/commu...
3. blogs.msdn.com­/cfs­-filesystemfile.ashx­/­_­_key­/commu...

What do you think?

Via: blogs.msdn.com­/b­/b8­/archive­/2011­/08­/26­/improvement...
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JustinCarone

When I first saw it I honestly thought it was a joke, in fact I still kind of hold to that belief. Whether it's out of a, likely vain, sense of hope or not is another question. Microsoft's ribbon interface in its Office suite has been almost universally panned, at the very least for its aesthetic. I can't imagine why they would hold to it under such vocal opposition when other parts of the UI are being taken in such a markedly different direction. It is porbably due to a lack of communication and, dare I say, synergy between the two teams, a problem Microsoft should be painfully aware of at this point.

I agree with frankspin on one point here, Windows Phone 7 and parts of the Windows 8 UI's use of minimalism is a much appreciated departure from how Windows has come to look. It's also unique and in complete opposition to Apple's often overwhelming use of skeuomorphic designs. Hopefully Microsoft will consolidate their UI teams and start moving in that direction with more focus in the future because, quite frankly, the ribbon UI needs to die.

Edit: A relevant linked article from Lukas Mathis at ignorethecode.net on how much of the ribbon is close to useless for almost everyone, according to Microsoft's own research.

"Again, this is Microsoft’s own research, cited in the same post: nobody — almost literally 0% of users — uses the menu bar, and only 10% of users use the command bar. Nearly everybody is using the context menu or hotkeys. So the solution, obviously, is to make both the menu bar and the command bar bigger and more prominent. Right?" - Laurie Voss

ignorethecode.net­/blog­/2011­/08­/30­/explorer­_bar/
seldo.tumblr.com­/post­/9549775746­/this­-is­-genuinely...
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ArmpitOfDeath

I actually use Office products in a meaningful way (like, H/PC acceleration for Excel, heavy-duty documentation and living 24/7 in Outlook way) and I don't mind the ribbon.

I've never had a strong opinion on it one way or another, apart from the fact that it does look somewhat Fisher-Price but I think on balance it's not that bad a way to engage untrained but nevertheless heavy users into using more of the Office features.

Whether wisely for the Windows community as a whole - especially the early-adopter power users, or people who believe they are - or not, that's clearly something they've considered for W8. I watch people who should be (and list themselves as) competent computer users struggle with basic file management tasks. A previous PA who didn't last long apologised with a sweet smile when she made a very elementary error and said the words "I'm sorry, but I'm not very good with computers" (CV: Proficient with Windows & Office). I replied "Well it's just as well you don't sit in front of one for 8 hours a day, isn't it?".

That's clearly something an IT department minion can't say out loud (well, on their last day maybe) and something that your regular Joe (or Josie) won't allow themselves to acknowledge. And there is something to be said for enabling the inexpert but reasonably motivated to discover Explorer features in this way.

However from a Mac-addled tech-blogging Starbucks-seat-polisher mindshare point of view they've obviously failed miserably because of the Fisher-Price look aspect. But while these individuals are the loudest, they do the least on their systems and let's face it, 90% of them don't actually need - or are familiar in any detail with - anything more than Textedit to get their work done.

For power users? You can clearly shift the entire thing out of the way if you're familiar with commands. Some of you will know that if you hide the ribbons in Office (Ctrl-F1), there's actually significantly more screen real-estate available (especially for notebook workers) than previous iterations. The same appears to be the case for Explorer. But it isn't shinier, and yes, a small Apple-appreciating part of me does think it could have been shinier / better /iconed/.

My biggest concern by far though is that they haven't addressed touch. So either there's a separate touch file management or object shell, or... the words 'epic fail' comes to mind if people are expected to build tablet form factors around it.
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frankspin

I'm not really crazy about it. One of the things I've started to come to enjoy with products is minamilism and this is just the opposite. The ribbon works great in office because it helps users to find alot of features much quicker but in a file explorer I just want to see my files. There is nothing that I can see from those ribbons that can't be accomplished via a right-click context menu or keyboard shortcut. The point of newer software is help keep users working efficiently and by directing the end users attention to a ribbon it's only going to slow them down because they'll now waste time going to the ribbon.
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groovechicken

I am still hoping that tomorrow when I wake up I will see headlines saying that it was actually an Onion article that Microsoft found amusing and decided to repost. Let's just say that, if it is not an option to disable this, I will be installing 7 on new machines around campus for many years to come.
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roberto

Sometimes I wish Windows would do like George Costanza and try doing the exact opposite of what they would normally do.
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NotHotWater

I honestly think it's HIDEOUSLY ugly. I really hope something like this doesn't make its way to a tablet.
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brett

It is absolutely horrifying. I hope that they listen to the feedback and go back to square one (or at least as far back as they can) and start simplifying. No one wants to see every single command exposed as different sized buttons, each with their own icon, living within four different tabs. Yikes.
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thenns

I think this was expected. I personally don't like it. It looks too complex and useless especially if you already know the shortcuts.
Hopefully there will be an option to switch it back
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timchoi89

I hope that I can minimize the ribbon like in Office. It looks like it may be useful to people that aren't familiar with some commands but it's too cluttered for me.
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andrewkalies

As I stated before in a past post about Windows 8's features, Ribbon UI is one I really hope they allow to turn off. I absolutely HATE ribbons in Office, they are so inconvenient and hard to navigate. I don't mind them there, as long as Microsoft allows us to turn it off and maybe use the old default.
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fourblades

I know that the ribbon ui is really just a friendly design for touch screen, which I assume they want to make the next OS more touchscreen friendly. I would find this as a hindrance to screen estate if it doesn't go away. Maybe it only appears when you hold something in sequence.
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speed9dev

It looks productive but it is too cluttered. I think finder can be more useful than windows explorer. I mean when I use windows I use winRAR to unzip files. So the bottom line is it is too cluttered.
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metric152

It looks like they're actually making the product more difficult to use. I'm not sure who they think that toolbar will help.
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wesg

I've come to really like Windows 7, despite using OS X as my primary OS for the last 6 years, and this looks like a huge step backwards. The mark of a good file browser is spending as little time as possible navigating folders to find the files you want, and that means having nearly all the space available dedicated to the list. If I have to scroll further to see the same number of entries, you've failed.
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tharrison4815

Well I've installed Windows 8 developer preview and I can confirm you can easily hide the ribbon using that little arrow next to the question mark under the close X button. All that it leaves on top of the W7 layout is the ribbon header tabs (File, Home, Share, View, Manage). Once you click one of the tabs; the ribbon appears until you click something. Similar in the way that context menus work.
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mjpuczko

That is hideous. Its way too busy for a file explorer. I want simple/easy on the eyes when im looking for files.
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khaled93

Microsoft, no one wants to use windows or cares about its UI or design as all designers use macs. can u please stop saying by popular demand as no one likes anything about windows and I actually use it because I have to and windows 8 appears to be windwos 7.5, they can't even get over windows explorer which looks to be complex like hell with so many buttons and the same design as vista, I mean why is everyone so afraid of remaking the desktop OSes UI and starting clean and fresh with a rethinking of an ui of this year, its just the same os for the past decade.

I really had high hopes for windows 8 but it seems they're really trapped in their own box with all the design and taskbar that looks the same, even the metro tiles is a joke for a keyboard and mouse navigation and only really useful for a touch screen on a tablet which is taking forever btw, I know windows 8 is not released yet but till now we have not seen anything other than some minor updates to windows 7 and its annoying.
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SonofNun

I love it! I don't understand why people are so opposed to the ribbon. I think that it is user friendly, as well as touch friendly. For example, using a touch screen, try to tap the View menu, followed by tapping full screen. Now do the same thing with the ribbon toolbar. Which is easier? The ribbon, of course!

I think that it is more user friendly because everything is displayed across the top, instead of being hidden in some menu somewhere.
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biggles1000

If I had a huge vertical screen with a really large HD resolution, this could be usable. But for most people (such as myself), a 16" monitor is small enough already, we really don't need some huge buttons taking up half the screen. I'm happy with the Windows 7 one as it is. Yes, they claim you can fir more documents on, but I actually find the Windows 7 file information preview box pretty handy, and a lot more handy than some over-sized, rarely used buttons (I always use the keyboard shortcuts such as ctrl-c, ctrl-v, F2 etc.)
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