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Poll: Music lockers or streaming services? Which do you prefer?

Now that Google Music, iCloud, and Amazon Cloud Player have all been announced it looks like on-demand cloud music services basically falling into two camps: music lockers, like those from Apple, Amazon, and Google, which basically let you upload your music collection to a server (or that's automatically put there via purchase or matched against your current collection) and then stream it via browser or mobile app; and streaming services like Rhapsody, Spotify, Rdio, MOG, etc which charge a monthly fee for unlimited on-demand access to a huge catalog of music.

Each has a very different vision of how you should think about your music collection, with the lockers essentially acting like an online backup of that hard drive full of MP3s you have on your computer, while the streaming services dispense with the whole notion of owning files altogether and just offer you access to anything in their collection, no files to manage or syncing to deal with.

Each has its advantages and disadvantages, depending on what you're comfortable paying, how big your music collection is, which devices you use to listen to music, but so far I haven't been totally happy either music lockers or streaming services. I love the convenience of streaming -- I have a Rhapsody subscription that I use primarily with the Sonos system in my apartment (if you haven't used Sonos with a streaming service like Rhapsody, Rdio, MOG, or Spotify you should -- it's awesome), but because I listen to so much music that isn't available in their catalog I tend to just use my phone or an MP3 player when I'm listening to music outside of the house.

What I want is someone to figure out how to combine the two. I want the convenience and breadth of a streaming service, but I want the ability to augment their selection and upload to the cloud all the more obscure stuff I like (about a third of my collection, I'd guess) which doesn't appear in anyone's catalog and access all of it via the same app.

There is definitely a gap here that I'd love to see closed. Streaming services a great if they have everything you want, but for things they don't have -- and none of them have the Beatles, for example -- you still need to own a digital copy. Music lockers obviously give you access to everything you own, but syncing and managing a collection is a hassle, and streaming services are simply more convenient.

I'm sure a combination of licensing requirements and major label intransigence would make something like what I'm describing unlikely to happen to anytime soon, but there isn't any technological obstacle to it being built. All it would entail is a streaming service provider like Rhapsody or Spotify or whoever doing the same thing they do now, but just adding the ability to upload some music to their servers and stream it alongside music they already offer. That storage would cost extra, but for someone like me it'd be worth it. The question is, are there that many people like me? I suspect that the reality is that there probably aren't that many people who want to and are willing to pay for it, but it seems like a question worth asking.

So which do you prefer?
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joxman

I like the combination idea -- I'm intrigued in particular about UltraViolet, the digital token concept embraced by Sony Pictures as well as other studios and CE manufacturers. It's a great idea -- when you buy a movie, for example, you get a digital token. Your token allows you to download or stream the movie to any of your devices (I think they are limiting it to half a dozen or so devices, kind of like Netflix does, but those devices aren't tied to geography so you can be mobile or even share with family or friends). This is a very promising model that gives consumers the freedom to buy one copy of something and use it across platforms -- and to access it via stream or download. Keep an eye on UltraViolet later this year for launch details.
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Moses

Combine the two. One product that comes to mind is the Zune Pass service. If Microsoft could somehow bring the best of iCloud forward and keep their Zune Pass service intact as is, they could have a real winner.

I have a feeling Apple will be eying that idea soon after the launch of iCloud. Small upgrades is what they do best. Start off with something broad and then add to it.

Seriously though, Both need to be married.
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dekkerd

Music locker, much of what I listen to isn't available streaming. Plus it's a cloud backup for my library.
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userd40ad11b74f

I feel like there are 2 issues that determine whether or not a person prefers streaming or a digital locker:

1) Size of their existing collection

People don't want to pay a second time for things that they already own. So if a user has a large existing collection of music they are going to be drawn towards a free/cheap storage solution for their collection. The inverse is also true: if a user has a small or non-existant existing collection they will be drawn towards a streaming solution since it will allow them to access a large amount of music with very little upfront cost.

2) Level of interest in finding new music

Some users are not particularly interested in expanding the collection of artists that they listen to, but others want something new all the time. The more inclined a user is to find new music the more they will be attracted to a subscription service that allows large new music consumption with a low, flat cost structure.

I think they are a significant number of power users that have both a large collection and an appetite for new music. These users want a hybrid and unfortunately no one is catering to that segment at this point.
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groovechicken

If I had to choose, I would choose streaming, but I prefer to have both. For the music I really care about, I purchase and own it and keep my top albums on my devices at all times. It is really nice to be able to load up Grooveshark, though, when I think of an 80s song I want to hear or hear of a band I want to explore. I also like thesixtyone.com when I just want to hear indie artists or explore new music blindly. These are more valuable to me since I already know I'm not leaving home without my Mike Oldfield collection loaded up. Besides, Grooveshark fills in the gaps in my Mike Oldfield collection, delaying the need to buy more albums for now.
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ADufresne

I prefer streaming and have been using Zune Pass for 2+ years. 10 track downloads to own per month made this even more compelling.
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dave

I prefer streaming services. Things like Rdio have done a fantastic job of pushing cross platform apps that let me listen to music on any device I use. The only downside is that if you're without an internet connection, you'll be without fresh music. Fortunately, they do let you sync music and playlists (which you'd potentially still have to do with a music locker type service.)
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RohitK

I think you're right, that the ideal solution would be a combination of the two.

As it stands, though, I'm happy with the locker solution. It's more important to have universal access to music you like and own as opposed to streaming music that you may or may not like. For the rest, for now, I'll stick with Grooveshark.
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beau

Screw them both. I listen to podcasts.
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frankspin

With regards to music lockers I would need to have something that provides a more efficient way of getting my music there. Right now I have 70GB of music, which is by no means large compared to friends who have nearing 1TB. So to get that music uploaded into the locker would take a really long time and as it stands now Amazon & Google are incredibly slow with upload speeds. I like how Apple is approaching this with iMatch but I would need it to cover a far more reaching amount of labels. Further to this how well can someone manage their library via the cloud? I know someone on here already asked about editing metadata, which I can with great control from a computer right now.

Streaming services are really great too but my issue with them is that their catalogs tend to be very limited. Last.FM was great because it had a very diverse database compared to Slacker or RDIO but as a service is was really subpar. Spotify probably takes the cake there but who knows when that will hit the US.

The other large issue with the both of these options is the current data caps being implemented. I know for me right now with my current set up I'm easily hitting 2GB of data a month which is fine since I'm on Verizon right now but that can change this summer.

For now I'll continue with my current hybrid scenario of using Subsonic & Slacker or Last.FM. Subsonic provides me with a way of having more control over my entire library and control the stream quality for the music.
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roberto

I like software like audiogalaxy. It streams the content already on your computer to your device via wifi or 3G/4G. It is also free, since you are doing all the storage. No need to upload anything, no taking space up on your device, and no cost.
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richardlawler

So far I'm very happy with Google Music Beta. I've now got 14,000 tracks in my Google "locker". I've got 26,000 tracks in iTunes so I couldn't upload the whole thing (since Google limits you to 20,000 tracks), but there's a lot of stuff I never will listen to in that 26k.

The process of culling my music library and uploading has been a bit of work, and it would be nice to not have to take that step, but it's far far less work than the care and time investment I've put into collecting up 26,000 tracks. Plus I really don't care that it has taken a couple weeks to get my catalog uploaded to the cloud. I'm not really in so much of a hurry that two weeks makes much difference. Hopefully the bulk uploading is a one-time process like ripping was. And updates with new music should be pretty painless and automatic. Hopefully Google will offer reasonably priced storage upgrades when they announce the pricing and terms of the non-Beta product.

It's just incredibly liberating to be able to access my music library anywhere without syncing between the multitude of devices in my life. It's also a breath of fresh air not having to deal at all with the beast that is iTunes. I'm getting very close to the point were iTunes can exist on life support only to service my wife's iPhone.

Google Music is currently a non-starter on any Apple iDevice. Hopefully they will fix that so it is at least compatible with the Mobile Safari browser.

I'm pretty happy with the new Android Music App and how it interacts with my Google Music cloud catalog. And the browser-based Google Music player works pretty well.

I've also spent a bit of time trying the Amazon Cloud Player. I uploaded about 2k tracks. It works well, but it would cost a lot annually to match the size of the Google offering and host a significant portion of my library. Also I've found streaming on my Android phone works better with the Google Music app especially when driving around town.

The Amazon Cloud Player has the advantage over Google Music that it works in Mobile Safari on iDevices.
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c3rbutt

"Access trumps ownership" — @fchimero

I go through music phases; I used to listen to a lot of classic rock, then I moved to jazz, then I picked up the White Stripes and garage band rock, and now I'm listening to a lot of hip-hop and dub-step. I still go back to the music I most enjoyed in my other phases.

Paying a fee to Rdio allows me to experience all of that music without investing a lot of money each time my interests start to shift.

I still have all the music that I bought back in the day, and a lot of it isn't available on Rdio. So I recognize the gap that you're referring to; it would be great if I could upload music I own to Rdio and have access to it anywhere. I'm sure they could eliminate redundancies by identifying music already available in their catalog, thus freeing up server space.
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cjarnola

I'm a Zune subscriber and really like the instant access to any song and how good it is with new music discovery. I think MS is looking to integrate Skydrive to provide the hybrid solution that you're describing.

The combination built in to the Music Hub on WP7 would be the perfect fit for me.
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DanNugent

I am currently doing both with Zune. I stream my smart DJ playlists on xbox and when I am on the go I have my zune synced.
Granted Zune is a compromise between dedicated streamers and a locker service but I can not see replacing Zune with the services that are out there now.
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zkarj

I prefer the locker approach. It's called an iPod. I can comfortably fit my music (but little else) in 64 GB. By the time I exceed that, I'm imagining a 128 GB solid state iPod will exist. If not, there's always a Classic.

Steaming, not so much. 1 GB data cap on mobile and that's only so high because my company is paying for it. Wasn't prepared to pay for more than half that myself.
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notung

Streaming service with local backup of playlist, most listened songs or top 10 recommended ones, or even an "I feel lucky" playlist...

Lockers for upload or download, lame. Wether you have a big or small collection.
It is amazing how music lovers have to go back in time, when they had to record cassettes or CDs to listen to their music. You could listen only the music you owned or someone lended you to do that "playlist". Once you did that, you could use that almost anywhere. That was hard, but awesome.
Now you have to own the music (even if you pay for the music you don't, in effect you own it), upload it, select the what you want to listen, download it, and that only to a limited number of devices (that you also own). We haven't evolved that much, eh?.

Even the ones that are music lovers, being able to pay some amount, they can't. There is no service and nobody's been able to put a price on that.

But let's be rude, to listen to the "latest hits" (probably the majority out there), you don't need any service at all. A discounted streaming or download to own service is more than enough.
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darrynbish

Living in Australia, I wouldn't use either. The "cloud" is a non-event for most Australians due to our restrictive bandwidth caps. Landline broadband is expensive - $70/month for only 50GB and it's at the slow 1.5Gb/second speed. With faster speeds, you just chew through your allotted bandwidth quicker, and you pay through the nose in most cases. Mobile broadband is even more expensive with add-on mobile data plans costing around $20/GB per month.
Much cheaper to stick with tethered devices, ripping music from CDs.
We have very limited streaming (VOD) "catch-up TV" services from the free-to-air channels and from our pay-tv provider.
Netflix and the like aren't available here and will never take off while we have to pay so much for our landline and mobile broadband access.
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ryansinger

I like to be rid of monthly expenses quite frankly. I like how the lockers allow a min. amount of storage for free.. By doing this it allows for people to adjust as they need with a free option. It would be great if someone did combine. That might just be the next step to one up the competition; let's see who does this first!!
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dan325013

Music lockers.
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steveer

Music locker. I have way too many CDs I have ripped. I mostly listen to what I know and like. There are lots of other ways to explore new music without streaming services when I want to do so.
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JosephC

I prefer a subscription service. I am currently using Zune 14.99 a month and I get to keep/buy 10 songs a month. It lets you stream and discover while being able to keep some music forever. I love the ability to download and listen to the whole catalog of an artist that is new to me. But I understand the lack of an iOS or android app makes it a nonstarter for most people.
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Miggity

I want a combination of both. I can't imagine not having my Zune Pass or an equivalent, but I also really want the stuff I've ripped uploaded to the cloud for backup.
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corgan

I'm pretty keen on Lockers, myself, but I just administer my own using my Pogoplug. The software isn't the best, but I get absolute control of the back-end, which I find preferable.
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cass

I tend to listen to the same stuff, so the music locker works for me. I just uploaded all my music to Google Music and it's nice to be able to stream my music everywhere.

With streaming services, they tend to have a monthly fee associated which is something that I don't want to pay for. I'm missing out on social and discovery features, but I never found them to be useful. I don't share common musical tastes with most of my friends, so these features never worked well for me.
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jasonact

I'd like a music locker that I can stream from. In other words, I'd like a service like iCloud that will allow me to stream the music I have purchased from Apple's servers. I have no need for a Rhapsody-style streaming service. iCloud comes close, but it still requires me to download the song before I can listen to it. I could do without that last step.
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JustinCarone

For the way in which I discover and listen to music the music locker is better suited. I typically only find a few new bands a year and keep up-to-date with my favorite band's newest albums. Because my music discovery isn't particularly rapid or far reaching I value having access to my favorite albums over a massive selection of songs. That being said, I also haven't seen a streaming service offering all of the music I listen to, which is a bit disappointing and another reason I lean towards music lockers.

It may be an old school way of thinking at this point but I enjoy full albums, and part of me still clings to the notion of owning those albums. Whether it be in the cloud, on local storage, or even a physical record, I enjoy knowing I own an album and have given (at least some) financial backing to a band whose music I really enjoy. I find streaming services off-putting because once I quit paying for that service I no longer have access to the music (at least with most of them). I like to know I have an album as I listen and re-listen to them on a regular basis. Therefore my vote goes to the music locker service over a streaming subscription.
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MarkMcAneny

Locker - providing its a free service
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brett

I definitely prefer the music lockers, at least for now. I don't mind streaming services, but for all of my music that isn't in the catalogues, It's great to be able to play it from anywhere. I will happily pay to have Google host my music as long as the fee is reasonable. With the amount of cash and bandwith that Google has to throw around, I definitely expect a good rate.
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phildunn

Streaming (Grooveshark) but recently Turntable.fm for pure social fun. Both of these streamers have their drawbacks in terms of duds -- e.g. those obscure songs that are not uploaded yet.
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phoncible

Why are these services such a big deal? Both phones and dedicated players have a fair amount of storage, easily hours (sometimes even days) worth of music can be stored on these devices. Has it become such a massive hassle to hook up your device to your computer and put the music you want to listen to on it? I don't know what everyone else has/does, but for me it's just a matter of hooking up a usb cable and transferring what I want. And these days unlimited mobile internet isn't that cheap anymore, which is what you would need for either service (stream MB worth of music, or mobile online transfer from your locker). I never hear this addressed; am I such a cheapskate for not having unlimited internet on my cell phone?

So I say screw 'em both, they're both a gimmick. Get your music from iTunes or wherever, hook up your device and just transfer, it's not that hard.

And I'm with beau, music is passé, I just listen to podcasts.
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kineticartist

Well I just joined the Google Music beta and I love it mostly because its free Ive also had a free and paid subscription to Slacker.com but didn't renew because of the cost. I like the Google locker because its my music and they offered up a lot of free music I never heard before (Im now a big fan of Midival Punditz) Slacker paid subscription was nice but I was not happy with their player and the search service so Im still dithering I guess I just hate paying subscription fees
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innerspaceboy

The answer is Subsonic.

Subsonic turns your desktop PC into a media streaming server. It's the ideal solution for users who want access to their entire music and video library no matter the size on any mobile device.

After a quick and easy install and initial configuration, users can access virtually limitless terabytes of their music, DVD images, and television series from your mobile phone.

The Subsonic Android/WM7 app (or iSub for the iPhone) is sleek and easy to use. It populates your file library in under 3 seconds and retains the folder structure of your albums and videos just as you've organized them on your PC. You don't have to worry about a music service not stocking your more obscure recordings, the software supports ogg, flac, and just about any other format you throw at it and it will transcode (and downsample for slower internet connections) to your mobile device in seconds.

Best of all there's no monthly fee. You can try the Subsonic app for free for 30 days, after which you can continue to access your music via your mobile browser (though I prefer using the app) or you can upgrade to the full version for a minimum one-time donation of 10 euros. Donating also adds video functionality to the application.

Highly recommended.
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Sandlapper

I love streaming services. It lets me sample music legally that I would have never given a chance before due to the cost.
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sirris101

I plan to use both, actually. Rhapsody for discovery and Sonos-use and iCloud for permanent ownership.
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howard

I'd prefer the locker solution. I'm completely happy using a streaming solution to "listen to the radio" where I don't have any control over what I hear or when. However, I prefer to listen to something specific, and I'm willing to pay for that music. If I've purchased the music, I'd like to be able to listen to it where I'm sitting and on the particular device. So as my collection grows, a locker will get more expensive, but I'm the type of person that will listen to things from years ago if the time is right.
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DaveFriedel

Music locker. If all I wanted was random songs, I could just use the radio. I'm a control freak and want to hear the same 5 songs over and over... without carrying a player. Amazon's works very nicely.
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Dpmt

I think that both have their place. But it does say something that I have been planing on getting a Zune pass at some point but keep putting it off, but jumped on Google Music at the first chance. I also pay for Pandora One which is a diffrent type of streaming and also has a place.
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JuliusErving

Music locker. I have 30+ gigs of music. I don't want to pay a monthly fee to access music that I don't own. That's what pandora's for. Yes, a combo would probably be interesting, but as of right now, I love the convenience of having all my music backed up online in an easy to access format (amazon). I'm an android user, so i'll probably be sticking to that, but i'll at least check out apple's new iCloud services on my mac / iPod touch.
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cjjc

Streaming. I don't want to manage MP3 files. I just want to log in and listen. Spotify is brilliant.
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JerryGPena

I just spent days uploading my library to Google music, so I guess I'll stick to lockers. Also because I mostly like to listen to the music I own.
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MarkPharaoh

I really prefer streaming services. Rdio, last.fm, di.fm, and Grooveshark are all used weekly by me. My main concern is bandwidth when I'm using these services in my car or somewhere else without WiFi (only get 2GBs on AT&T).

But of course, I would prefer to have a single app/service that allows me to do both. Sometimes there's just an old album that you want to put on that something like Rdio doesn't have.
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CLB

Whatever one chooses, it should be all about access, access, access. There are a couple of elephants in the room. One is the fact that we can't, or won't want to carry around ipods filled with media AND our phones at the same time for much longer. Most people have more music and video than they can fit on an ipod, much less than their phones. So the future is all about access to those files and the ability to play (stream!!) on one's phone, tablet, or any connected device.
Which leads to the other elephant: Why is Apple not giving the ability to stream one's own music files over their devices with iCloud?? They know it makes so much sense. They are seemingly doing the impossible: Putting walls up in the cloud! Google's onto something with their Music Beta. Allow access over the web AND devices. IT IS THE FUTURE. Apple is trying to slow down progress and I can't figure it out. I'm a huge Apple fan, but they unknowingly drive people to companies that do it differently, and sometimes better (Hello Android!).
Something as simple as Audiogalaxy allows me to stream MY 150 gbs of music files from my computer to my phone, and the quality of the sound is very, very good. And it's free.
The Netflix business model is perfect for this situation. Access on as many different devices as possible. Make it as easy as possible to enjoy one's media. Power To The People!
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lmorchard

None of the above. I prefer my Synology DS210 NAS with a 1.5TB drive and a port forward from my router. There's a DSAudio app for both Android and iOS that connects to it, and I can get to my 500GB+ of music over SSL from just about anywhere. I've even been That Guy on a Delta flight hogging the Gogo Wireless bandwidth to listen to my tunes from home.
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philltran

Grooveshark has a good streaming catalog and let's you add your music as well. The downer is that they are in some legal battles with a couple labels so some music can't be added.
They also have a cool option of downloading music to their mobile apps for offline listening.

I'm excited for matching services like iCloud will offer. It is a great concept that saves the consumer upload time and the provider server space.
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normalocity

I definitely do both. I use Rdio and the social network there to discover new music ( karmanebula.com­/post­-music­-collection­/2011­/4­/27­/th... ), I use Google Music Beta to store my music, and I wind up streaming from both services as a result. If Rdio added a digital locker for storage, or Google added a simple social network for music discovery, I could see myself using a single service.
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djg

Spotify already offers the combination - at least the Premium version does. I don't remember the exact rules, but I stream whatever they have when I am online. I can store up to 3333 songs on up to 3 devices (phones or computers) for up to 31 offline days. And i can merge my own mp3 files in with those 3333 as well.

On an flight where I am offline I have all the music I need on Spotify - and i can change those 3333 songs as often as I like. I've never come close to listening to all of them before getting online and having the chance to change them.

SO combinations are obviously the way to go - the interesting question is how the different providers pitch their services and how easily explained they are. I have to say that I still don't feel that I really understand what iCloud will do (or not do).
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billmaggs

Your question brings up something I've been thinking about for a while; basically the premise is that some combination of the locker and the service will be the optimum way to consume music in the age of wonders we now live in. If that is so, why does the prospect of music listening while attached to digital devices mostly fill me with ennui? I've adapted to every stage of the digital music revolution, from ripping and ripping to Napster to Rhapsody to the iTunes paradigm. But I can now reflect that each step along the way has reduced my joy in music, and eventually my listening time and willingness to buy. Compared to the way I was raised, finding music through the channels of radio, friends, and what was in the air, and the "locker" of the treasured collection on my shelf, this age of wonders hasn't been so wonderful for me. If I can listen to anything, I end up listening to nothing at all. What's missing is taste, immediacy, context; not the mechanistic kind provided by Pandora or the hermetically sealed social graph of Ping, but real taste. I know Apple is going to try this approach with Siri, but I don't think agents will work.
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tschermer

Actually as much as I like the appeal of an all-in-one service,it always seems that software or web services that try to be everything fall short of the specialized software or web services. Maybe the best option is for these functions separate like they currently are?
This allows someone to choose the best locker and streaming service based on features.
For example, I will likely use iTunes Match at $25 a year for my Locker/Backup and continue to use Slacker Radio Plus (3.99 a month for caching to devices and other features) for my streaming. When I want to hear specific songs or playlists I use iTunes on my iPhone and when when I want to discover new music and have a playlist made for me I use Slacker Plus. But Android phone users may prefer to use Google Music Locker and say Pandora if they have an Android phone with limited storage.
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lkusa

I like streaming via Grooveshark. Anything that's not there I can upload from my library. Once it's on Grooveshark, I can organize beaucoup playlists and listen from anywhere on any machine. Nice.
I used to like Last.fm until they screwed up the sampling options. Slacker was nice but its interface was difficult, and Pandora is a bunch of control freaks: "music like ---whatever song you want on the playlist--- will be added to your playlist" --well, I don't want songs LIKE another song, I want the song I want!!
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xanthumn

I prefer both. To that end I use mSpot, they might be what you are looking for.

Paraphrased from their website...
You can upload your songs to their cloud then based on your listening tastes, they will recommend streaming radio stations that match your music.

And there are rumors of a scan-and-match feature like iCloud's version coming "sometime" in the future.

I found an excellent article at PCMag explaining better than I can
www.pcmag.com­/article2­/0,2817,2385918,00.asp
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tomhaney

I just run a DAAP server from my NAS.
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