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Is there a market for this?
Is there anyone out there that would pay $300 for something that's a subset of features? I couldn't see spending $99 for this thing. (well, maybe $99)
Depends on speed, support for firefox updates, build quality. I have been searching for the perfect, no-compromises instant-on solution for internet browsing. Chrome OS might end up being the answer...but this is very intriguing as well.
My quest will conclude when I can fire up Hulu in 5 seconds flat and watch without any jittering frames, in a flash window, just like I would in my computer's browser. This appears to be able to do that.
My quest will conclude when I can fire up Hulu in 5 seconds flat and watch without any jittering frames, in a flash window, just like I would in my computer's browser. This appears to be able to do that.
Sure, I'd also like it to fold up and fit in my pocket but there's no indication that this thing will do any of those things you're looking for. My MacBook Air is pretty much instant on (granted it costs more but does a lot more than a CrunchPad). Just hard for me to see how this sells. It's ultimate tweener device searching for a problem that it seems few folks have. Especially at a $300 price point.
This is just a much larger iPhone IMO. I don't really see anyone really using it. IF they can keep the price to $300 and have to work decently, then maybe. But for I can't help to think that if anyone is looking to purchase this, then they might as well get a netbook, since that can do much more and cost just as much.
I completely agree. It seems like anything you could do with this, you could do with a netbook, or full-out laptop. As Gartenberg said, its just s subset of features, a small one at that, and that makes it seem to me like a pointless little toy. I do not see myself or anyone I know buying one. I really see this as a coffee table trinket that might entertain some bored guests. It is neat, I like the concept, but I don't like the price or the limitations. When it comes down to it, all this does is browse the web, and it is not going to be sufficient for even that for a user like myself.
Are you kidding? $300 is an amazing price for a device like this. It's basically a netbook with capacitive touch and no keyboard. Considering that current netbooks are already low-margin and sell for $300 - $400, it's commendable that they managed to add a touchscreen to it and still keep it at that price. However in terms of usability you'll have to decided whether a touchscreen is a good tradeoff for a keyboard.
For straight up browsing, which I do a lot of while sitting around the house already with my iPhone, I think this would be fantastic. For reading articles and such, I don't need to type that much, so I'd be willing to put up with the touchscreen.
I'm excited to see how this turns out.
I'm excited to see how this turns out.
I'm with you Dave.
If this actually handles its core function well, is reasonably fast, and has an almost instant on function I would snap this up in an instant.
Having something lightweight like this sitting on the coffee table ready to go for whenever I want to surf the web would be very convenient.
It wouldn't replace any other device I have, but it sure as hell would be more enjoyable to use for casual surfing on the couch and in bed than a full sized laptop, an itty-bitty netbook, or an even smaller iphone.
If this actually handles its core function well, is reasonably fast, and has an almost instant on function I would snap this up in an instant.
Having something lightweight like this sitting on the coffee table ready to go for whenever I want to surf the web would be very convenient.
It wouldn't replace any other device I have, but it sure as hell would be more enjoyable to use for casual surfing on the couch and in bed than a full sized laptop, an itty-bitty netbook, or an even smaller iphone.
I was thinking about buying one of these to get back into comic books. I used to have a HUGE collection when I was younger, but it was a pain lugging them around when I moved. Now with Marvel's online comic subscription I was thinking this device would be perfect for that.
Granted, I wouldn't have the "investment" of the paper comics, but I don't have time for storing them in pristine condition anymore. Not to mention the price.
Granted, I wouldn't have the "investment" of the paper comics, but I don't have time for storing them in pristine condition anymore. Not to mention the price.
I agree. I am excited for this device and others like it. I like browsing on my iPhone, but want more screen. I would use this as a surfing gadget like a netbook but with a touchscreen. I don't envision using it to type much like a communicator type device, but more for web surfing (ie reading). I would hope I could do video like Hulu too. That might be asking too much.
I see a lot of folk not liking this idea, but I am looking forward to it.
Jason
I see a lot of folk not liking this idea, but I am looking forward to it.
Jason
I think the devil is in the details. As we don't really know much about precisely what it can and can't do yet, we're still waiting to see if we'd pay $300 for it.
If it can handle web browsing, IM and IRC and has a halfway decent battery life I think I for one would buy one in a heartbeat.
I know my wife would be wanting to borrow it for sales shopping from the comfort of the lounge/bed without having to bother with a bulkier laptop.
If it can handle web browsing, IM and IRC and has a halfway decent battery life I think I for one would buy one in a heartbeat.
I know my wife would be wanting to borrow it for sales shopping from the comfort of the lounge/bed without having to bother with a bulkier laptop.
I could see myself using one of these for sure. After using my EEE 901 and Dell mini 9 I can easily say that having to use an on screen keyboard on this device would be about as productive as the keyboards on either of the netbooks. If it can play hulu and other flash based jitter free thats already a big upgrade on your standard netbook. The question is it going to be able to do that.
If this thing can get decent battery life (4+ hours) and can play media off usb devices or some sort of removable memory I would take on every trip I go on.
If this thing can get decent battery life (4+ hours) and can play media off usb devices or some sort of removable memory I would take on every trip I go on.
I use my Ipod touch to read the news everyday. I don't use it for media (except on trips) at all. Basically it is my mini web browser. I would love to have a pad for late night blog reading, stat tracking while I watch the game or recipes while I cook. My Ipod Touch is just too small.
I would buy two @ $300 so I don't have to share with my wife who really wants one as well.
What I am expecting:
- Launches directly into browser.
- Able to save to flash drive.
- Keyboard connectivity (bluetooth or otherwise).
- Flash, adobe reader, all the neccesary basics to cruise the web and read various documents.
- Minimum 6 hour battery but the longer the better.
I would buy two @ $300 so I don't have to share with my wife who really wants one as well.
What I am expecting:
- Launches directly into browser.
- Able to save to flash drive.
- Keyboard connectivity (bluetooth or otherwise).
- Flash, adobe reader, all the neccesary basics to cruise the web and read various documents.
- Minimum 6 hour battery but the longer the better.
Months ago I bought an Archos 5 to satisfy my occasional "couch browsing needs". Well, it is somewhat frustrating when you come accross that site which requires full Flash support. Note that the Archos 5 projects (Opera browser with Flash 9 support) resembles (on the software side) the Crunchpad project. I hope that people at Crunchpad will give us a better browsing experience: perfect/full Flash implementation, in-browser PDF support.
On the other end I understand that you can't have support for every browser add-on (some sites use teir own plugins... maps.ovi.com comes to my mind). And for that reason I will probably buy the Archos 9 tablet-PC: Windows 7 and no browsing compromises...
On the other end I understand that you can't have support for every browser add-on (some sites use teir own plugins... maps.ovi.com comes to my mind). And for that reason I will probably buy the Archos 9 tablet-PC: Windows 7 and no browsing compromises...
I understand why people who already have an iPhone wouldn't bother, but it's 100% win for me. I don't have an iPhone (AT&T sucks) and I don't really want an iPod touch (sound quality is poor for the price). This thing has a larger screen than those, so web browsing (particularly web video) could be a much more pleasant experience. If they can make the thing boot up quickly (as in a couple of seconds, tops), it looks good to me.
I would buy it because its something that my net book has. A bigger screen. You can read the paper. And a great price point compare to the kinda. I waiting did wait till Apple fix most of the problems with the IPhone like having no 3g. Thats why i bought the Iphone 3g. Like I'm waiting till Kindle gets a color screen or the price drops. I just hoping to have the crunch pad in my hands by the end of the year. Mike are you listening.
this is a want, not a need. that being said, if it comes in at a good price point, it may well become a need. a need that i want.
Seems to me that this is more of a niche market device - for people who already are pretty wired in, and have cash to blow. Can't see too many people making this even a secondary smart device (over, say, a computer, then their phone, then this thing). I do a lot of couch surfing on my iPhone, especially when I'm waiting to load into a game of Halo or something like that. But I don't see having this thing separate from my phone, for more money then I've already paid.
Also, the prospect that I break a gigantic, thin, touchscreen within eight hours of purchase is terrifying
Also, the prospect that I break a gigantic, thin, touchscreen within eight hours of purchase is terrifying
Arrington's persona, alone, will keep a bunch of these from selling, IMHO.
I don't really understand the point of this device. As much I like the idea, I can't imagine paying $300 for a tablet that can't even play movies. I don't need a separate device to go on the internet, my laptop does that just fine.
I'm waiting to see what Apple comes out with.
I'm waiting to see what Apple comes out with.
How will anything apple come out with be any different then this. They will not in all likely hood add a dvd player so playing movies will be limited to whats on a flash drive, same as this in theory unless they do what Google Chrome OS is planning, but even then i am sure you will be able to watch/play stuff off a flash drive so i guess im just missing your point.
I think he's thinking that the Apple tablet will have more than just the internet. I have to agree with him, I don't think Apple would release a product that just does internet. That seems like it wouldn't be a good move for them. A tablet is already a niche product, there is no need to make it more niche by only offering internet based things.
Well i do agree with that and you both are right but in my opinion this is a merger between an MID and a tablet. Yes it only has internet but if Google Chrome OS gets its way that will be all you need. This isn't designed for mass storage or game running this is just a around the house sitting on your couch internet browser. Which is why i find it hard to think that the apple tablet will even sell if that is all it will offer. And yes i am sure that they will have an app store similar to the Apple phone and the OS will be a cross between the Apple phone and OSX but then your looking at a giant Ipod touch or a cheap tablet. , if it is $800 and if it is i don't see it having much more then absolute basics. For apple $800 doesn't buy you much hardware wise so i can't see them offering much more then this will other then possible Verzion cell parts in it. And i don't think tablets should sport DVD drives because then they would be bulky and then why not buy a laptop or a netbook.
I didn't mean to bash the fabled apple tablet but if we are to compare the two i think spec wise they will come out about even with this being cheaper and then you just have to decided which OS you want.
I didn't mean to bash the fabled apple tablet but if we are to compare the two i think spec wise they will come out about even with this being cheaper and then you just have to decided which OS you want.
I just think this is in a inbetween category between MID like the creative Zii which is MID and the rumored Apple tablet/any other tablet. This is only going to be the first of many cloud computers and the fact that it doesn't have everything a laptop has is what makes it unique and the wave of the future.
The Crunchpad was designed for one thing and one thing only - browsing the web. When you start up the device you get a list of shortcuts to the most popular websites (Flickr, Facebook, etc.) and nothing else. There is no music player, no video player, no calendar or any kind of notepad. To me that seems kind of pointless.
This makes me wonder why the designers decided to exclude such basic features. Maybe because the CPU on this thing isn't powerful enough to decode high resolution video. In that case I can't imagine the browsing experience being very smooth either.
I'm not a huge fan of Apple but somehow I feel they wouldn't release a product with less functions than their latest iPod.
You got me thinking though: Crunchpad + Chrome OS = Awesomeness. Eh . . . if only.
This makes me wonder why the designers decided to exclude such basic features. Maybe because the CPU on this thing isn't powerful enough to decode high resolution video. In that case I can't imagine the browsing experience being very smooth either.
I'm not a huge fan of Apple but somehow I feel they wouldn't release a product with less functions than their latest iPod.
You got me thinking though: Crunchpad + Chrome OS = Awesomeness. Eh . . . if only.
See i see it like this, I am going to have a netflix account here shortly for my 360 so this would work great as a way to view netflix movie while i'm at work or at the FD. With the thousands of music streaming sites like last.fm and Imeem you can listen to a source of music far greater then anything one person could hold. With google docs you have some sort of word processing, calendar, email, and just about anything else since they are all about cloud computing. I think the crunchpad's OS is going to be very close to what Google Chrome OS is going to eventually be since it is also running off a linux kernel like the crunchpad and Android.
And as for the apple tablet Gizmodo did a great topic on how if they did a large ipod it would fail and how if it had OSX it would fail. I read an article on techcrunch last night about how thye are predicting this will have two app store which means a premium for apps to run off the apple tablet. I see the apple tablet more as a MID then a actual tablet if they go this route. The crunchpad has future of computing written all over it, just that its a bit ahead of its time.
And as for the apple tablet Gizmodo did a great topic on how if they did a large ipod it would fail and how if it had OSX it would fail. I read an article on techcrunch last night about how thye are predicting this will have two app store which means a premium for apps to run off the apple tablet. I see the apple tablet more as a MID then a actual tablet if they go this route. The crunchpad has future of computing written all over it, just that its a bit ahead of its time.
The function of a device like this is too limited for me personally. Between my macbook and my iPod Touch which i use all the time for browsing and RSS a device like this has no place. The problem for a device like this likes in its ability to scale for me. What if i wanted to view photos on it from a flash drive or SD card, what if i want to use the screen to play movies when i am sitting in a plane or car. And what if i want to take it along with me on a holiday and use to reply to a mail or chat with a friend? How would a device like that scale to meet these needs. To me it being able to browse from the sofa or bed sounds cool, but when i look deeper it at and what else i might want to do with it i feel that it falls short very badly especially give that it costs 300$, for a little more than that i could get a netbook with a 10-11.6 inch screen that in the future could hopefully dual boot chrome OS and Ubuntu at the same time and for those quick browsing sessions i could just use Chrome and for others use Ubuntu. Also most netbooks these days come with 4-5 hours real world battery life, and with them in standby or hibernate the instant on would work till i get Chrome OS on it.
So i would not say that there is no market for a device for it, but i would have to say that it would be relatively niche for the time being atleast till we can do everything from the web.
So i would not say that there is no market for a device for it, but i would have to say that it would be relatively niche for the time being atleast till we can do everything from the web.
I'm confused about how everyone is so excited about the $300 price. That doesn't seem like much to me.
I've spent more on single function mp3 players, home theater multi-function remotes, ipod docs, PDA's, headphones, shoes, jackets, and sunglasses.
If it is a good home internet browsing device (not an e-mail device, mp3 player, or full on workstation, just a browser) with a great form factor and near instant on functionality I wouldn't blink at paying $300 for it. I suspect there are lots of people in my income bracket who would do the same.
This thread is about "is there a market for it" and I don't see a $300 price point being a stumbling block for it. Sure, lots of people on this thread couldn't afford it, or would choose to not buy it based on their budgetary priorities, but lot's of us couldn't afford plenty of other items out there that have strong markets.
For example, %74 percent of all bikes sold in the USA cost $80's on average. This would lead many to believe there isn't a market for more expensive bikes. However this %74 percent only represents %35 of the dollars spent on bikes. %50 of the dollars sold on bikes to go bikes that cost $500 or more. So while the vast majority of bikes sold in the USA are cheap junk bikes there is still a strong and profitable market for bikes that cost five times (or more) than %74 of the bikes sold. At boutique bike manufacturers the sales of custom $3,000+ bikes have been going strong right through the recession.
A product doesn't necessarily have to sell over a million units to turn a profit. If manufacturing, distribution, and marketing costs are kept to a reasonable level in proportion to the sale price a much smaller number of units needs to be sold to turn a profit. This concept (and it's success) is why countries like Japan, Korea, and Germany have many more gadgets than the US does - because they are able to manufacture and sell a small number of units yet still turn a profit.
In my mind the bigger question is whether the same market that would buy this crunchpad will instead hold off and spend perhaps three times as much on the rumored Apple tablet, which looks to be attempting to achieve more with a similar form factor. This is a question that I've personally been mulling over for myself.
I've spent more on single function mp3 players, home theater multi-function remotes, ipod docs, PDA's, headphones, shoes, jackets, and sunglasses.
If it is a good home internet browsing device (not an e-mail device, mp3 player, or full on workstation, just a browser) with a great form factor and near instant on functionality I wouldn't blink at paying $300 for it. I suspect there are lots of people in my income bracket who would do the same.
This thread is about "is there a market for it" and I don't see a $300 price point being a stumbling block for it. Sure, lots of people on this thread couldn't afford it, or would choose to not buy it based on their budgetary priorities, but lot's of us couldn't afford plenty of other items out there that have strong markets.
For example, %74 percent of all bikes sold in the USA cost $80's on average. This would lead many to believe there isn't a market for more expensive bikes. However this %74 percent only represents %35 of the dollars spent on bikes. %50 of the dollars sold on bikes to go bikes that cost $500 or more. So while the vast majority of bikes sold in the USA are cheap junk bikes there is still a strong and profitable market for bikes that cost five times (or more) than %74 of the bikes sold. At boutique bike manufacturers the sales of custom $3,000+ bikes have been going strong right through the recession.
A product doesn't necessarily have to sell over a million units to turn a profit. If manufacturing, distribution, and marketing costs are kept to a reasonable level in proportion to the sale price a much smaller number of units needs to be sold to turn a profit. This concept (and it's success) is why countries like Japan, Korea, and Germany have many more gadgets than the US does - because they are able to manufacture and sell a small number of units yet still turn a profit.
In my mind the bigger question is whether the same market that would buy this crunchpad will instead hold off and spend perhaps three times as much on the rumored Apple tablet, which looks to be attempting to achieve more with a similar form factor. This is a question that I've personally been mulling over for myself.
If this thing is really good at browsing the web it will sell at $299. If it doesn't provide a top notch browsing experience or comes in at a $399 price then I think it will fail.
I would say YES.
I think the thing to keep in mind is that most of the complaints that people have are with the SOFTWARE.
So on launch, there is no support for videos, music etc, but do you guys seriously think it will stay that way? I don't think it will take long for people to hack this thing, maybe put boxee on it, other OS's, etc. Give it some time, and someone will find a way to put OS X on this thing, then it'll be the Jesus Apple Tablet everyone has been wanting, except for $300.
I think it's important to look at what else is out in this price range (assuming you will be using it for browsing/email). You've got the iPod Touch for $229. The crunchpad's screen is almost 4 times as big.
Then you have the Kindle at $299. The screen is twice as big on the crunchpad, and while not being e-ink, is more flexible for browsing/ and can still use e-books
I think the thing to keep in mind is that most of the complaints that people have are with the SOFTWARE.
So on launch, there is no support for videos, music etc, but do you guys seriously think it will stay that way? I don't think it will take long for people to hack this thing, maybe put boxee on it, other OS's, etc. Give it some time, and someone will find a way to put OS X on this thing, then it'll be the Jesus Apple Tablet everyone has been wanting, except for $300.
I think it's important to look at what else is out in this price range (assuming you will be using it for browsing/email). You've got the iPod Touch for $229. The crunchpad's screen is almost 4 times as big.
Then you have the Kindle at $299. The screen is twice as big on the crunchpad, and while not being e-ink, is more flexible for browsing/ and can still use e-books
I think $300 is too much for an impulse buy or a "I might be able to use that" purchase. I paid around $400 for my iPod and Xbox 360, but I use those all the time and they are super solid pieces of equipment. They also do way more than this thing as it is currently advertised. One of these things will have to change for me to purchase it.....



