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dalewking

Had it for 24 hours and I hate this computer. The sharp edge is a major pain.

the deck is the size of an aircraft carrier and they stick a small keyboard in it with no numeric keypad, no home, end, page up, page down or delete keys. I had a 15.4" laptop that had all of those. I like a big display but the fact that OSX is not resolution independent means that anything displayed is microscopic. I would attach an external keyboard to it, but that means the display would be further away and impossible to read.

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ArmpitOfDeath

You write a review of it after 24 hours?

*rolls eyes*

It seems that the Reality Distortion Field is broken on your computer. Maybe you bought it online? Perhaps a visit to a local Temple of Apple is in order to re-acquaint you with the reason why you bought one.
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dalewking

I didn't buy it, the company did because I am going to be doing iPhone development and the great prophet Steve sayeth that iPhone development shalt be done on a Mac.
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brett

Interesting take on it. I also think that the front edge on these machines (and mine) is too sharp. The lack of a numeric keypad, especially on the 17" is a little annoying

On the other hand, I actually tend to love these screens, whether on Windows or not. They're crisp and the color is good, provided that you don't get a bad screen from the get-go, which is sadly the case for a lot of Apple displays in general.

I'd suggest that you look into the HP Envy 14 or 17, though I think you'll find another relatively sharp front edge on those machines as well.

One thing to note though: None of these OSes are resolution independent yet. There are settings and tweaks you can do to change things up, but nothing is fully resolution independent yet.
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ArmpitOfDeath

Maybe because it's the way I type, and other 'styled' machines have similar issues - e.g. the Dell Precision M6500 , but it's not actually bothered me too much. I get how it could be very annoying in extended desktop use - but then I'd be on an external monitor and keyboard, or actually using a desktop.

As for no OS being resolution independent, no OS is resolution independent in the way it's defined by people who parrot for Apple. However, Windows is considerably more practically resolution independent than the state of OS X at the moment.

Don't like it? Get an external monitor with lower pixel density when working with it for extended periods of time, or trade it in for a Windows machine.
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dalewking

I probably don't type right. So to use Apple products do you have to do things correctly? You have to hold your phone just right to get reception and you have to position your arms just right to type comfortably ;-)

I'm not asking for perfect resolution independence, just settings to make it usable. Settings that Windows has had for probably 10 years.

I've got a good Windows laptop, but because I am going to do iPhone development I have to have a Mac. I thought about using an external keyboard, but that pushes the screen further away for me.
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brett

I was saying that I really like the screens on these, not the other way around. I'm a huge fan of high pixel density. My new machine coming in the mail is a Win7Pro EliteBook from HP with a 1920x1200 screen packed into 15". THAT'S some pixel density. Can't wait.

My issue with the sharp edge and lack of a numeric keypad stems from the fact that I work in a lot of rendering and 3D programs along with AutoCAD where the numpad is used constantly. Having to stretch across the single line numpad at the top gets to be very tedious and it's a lot easier to make a mistake. The sharp edge is annoying with periods of prolonged use because I can't lug an external monitor and keyboard back and forth from my apartment to class every day. I'm typically in the studio for 10-14 hours a day, with most of the work being done on my computer unless I'm building a model.

Also, I really want a nice 27 or 30-inch external monitor for home use. Hmmm...
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dalewking

I have a good windows laptop I recently bought (Sony Vaio) and it has no sharp edge and fits a numeric keypad (and the full complement of keys) into a smaller space. Although I must say that apple wastes that space for speakers and the Sony's speakers are awful.

I'd have to agree that the quality of the screen is excellent, but if you can't read stuff on it...

And I'm not asking for perfect resolution independence, but some setting to make the darn thing usable. Now I know why Apple people seem to want huge screens like 27". It's just to make it big enough to read it!
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ArmpitOfDeath

I don't actually find the screen quality amazing - the same as was the case for when I had almost directly comparable machines in the past. In fact, the more of those I have, the more I'm led to believe Apple puts rejects from the Windows high-end into their notebooks.

Also, packed detail can actually appear worse under OS X on Macs on their built-in displays (but not on external monitors). Maybe you're sensitive to that effect as well as the high-ish pixel density.

Maybe it might be worth reconsidering your OS X needs - and maybe going for a 15 or even 13-incher with an external monitor + keyboard when using at your desk, unless you intend to code for the iPhone on the move a lot.
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dalewking

On the positive note, I can say that I am liking the multitouch trackpad. It took some getting used to, but I find it to be very handy. And I usually don't really care that much about multitouch and think it is more of a gimmick than a must have feature.
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dalewking

I've figured out the keyboard shortcut replacements:
fn-delete = forward delete
command-arrows = home, end, page up, and page down
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