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Could Flip have been saved?
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I have to admit that I was taken off-guard by the news that Cisco was unceremoniously shutting down its Flip line of video cameras. I mean, I knew that Cisco CEO John Chambers sent out an internal email a few weeks ago indicating that some big changes were in the works in response to the company's drift over the past few years, but even so it's still relatively uncommon for a company to just kill off a giant product line wholesale like that. Especially one that was bought for the princely sum of $590 million just a couple of years ago.
There are probably two big reasons why Cisco did this. One is that despite acquiring both Linksys and Pure Digital, the maker of Flip cameras, in a quixotic effort to move in this direction, Cisco has never felt totally comfortable being in the consumer electronics business. Enterprise has always been the heart of their business, and it's understandable that they've made a strategic decision to focus on that -- though Cisco shareholders probably wish they'd come to that conclusion before blowing a huge amount of cash. (I'm very curious to see what they end up doing with Linksys.) The other big reason, and the one most people are focusing on, is that the market for Flip cameras has taken a hit now that most decent smartphones can record HD video.
Now, I don't think that the rise of smartphones that can record HD automatically means there's no market for Flip cameras. In fact, I think there's a decent market for standalone devices in general, and there are plenty of reasons why someone might buy a Flip camera even if they own an HD-capable smartphone (like to give to a child, use on a trip, or because you don't want to kill your phone's battery). But is it a growing market? Probably not, and this is an important distinction to make. There is a difference between a market that's flat out disappeared and one that's just not growing anymore, and all indications are that Flip was not going to see anywhere near the dramatic rise in sales it saw late last decade. So while to a gigantic growth-obsessed company like Cisco (remember at one point they had the highest market cap of any company in the world) it may have seemed like there was no good reason to keep around a business unit that was destined to stagnate, I'm sure that Kodak, which has a line of rival products, is not at all unhappy that Flip is getting out of the game.
Was it better to just call things quits, lay off 550 hardworking people, and call it a day? Couldn't they have found someone interested in buying it? It's not hard to imagine someone finding value in the brand and paying at least a couple hundred million for Flip, but sometimes it makes more sense from a financial standpoint to shut something down and take a tax write-off rather than sell it at a loss. Whatever the specifics, it appears that Cisco's accountants made a successful case for that.
Of course, the larger question is whether there was something Cisco could have done to keep Flip relevant and increase sales. Perhaps, but no matter what it was definitely going to be tough. There's no getting around the fact that as smartphones have gotten more powerful they've absorbed the functionality of a variety of different gadgets. Over the past few years we've seen cameras, media players, GPS navigation units, game consoles, and e-book readers all challenged in one way or another by the rise of all-in-one devices.
It's not hard to see why. A phone is a must-have item -- it's not like you're going to pick owning a video camera over owning a phone -- if your phone can adequately replace another device you're probably going to think twice before buying one. Increasingly consumers are only buying the standalone version of something when there's a distinct advantage to doing so. Examples include buying a nice digital SLR for taking photos, a tiny MP3 player for jogging, a portable game console to get better games, or a Kindle for reading books because the battery life is better and e-ink can be easier on the eyes.
A standalone product can have a tough time when that distinct advantage is small; it's why we're seeing point-and-shoot digital camera sales stagnate while more and more people use their smartphone for snapping casual pics. There was a point when Flip cameras had a big advantage over phones: they could record HD video at a time when virtually no phones could. In fact, they thrived in what turned out to be a relatively narrow window that existed after the price of camera sensors and flash memory dropped enough to make a simple, inexpensive HD camcorder practical, but before those components got cheap enough to start showing up in smartphones. Once that window closed it's natural that they'd see growth flatten: anyone who owned a phone with HD video capabilities wasn't going to buy a Flip camera just to do some quick and dirty HD video recording. It's not as if the quality of the video on a Flip camera is anything special, anyone doing any serious videography will probably spring for something fancier.
So to stay in the game Cisco needed to either drop prices to a point where consumers might buy a Flip camera in addition to their phone (and given how aggressively priced they already are, that'd probably have to be in the area of fifty bucks, which I'm sure would demolish whatever small margin they're making on these things) or constantly try to stay ahead of smartphones in terms of features and functionality. Given that we're years away from consumer adoption of a successor to 1080p (YouTube's support for 4K notwithstanding), Cisco couldn't pin its hopes on a wave of consumers upgrading to new higher resolution models anytime soon. Certainly a WiFi-enabled version that would let you do high-def video conferencing would have attracted some interest, and I suspect somewhere inside Cisco there's someone who was working on a 3D Flip camera, but neither would be enough to spur the kind of growth Cisco would be looking for.
It's an odd end for any consumer electronics brand to come to, and one that we don't see all that often. Remember that it's not exactly like Flip was failing and on the verge of collapse. They're estimated to have done about $400M in revenue last year, and it's not hard to imagine a less assertive CEO taking the path of least resistance and just letting them lumber along for a few more years. Eventually something would have happened, though, it's hard to imagine Cisco keeping around a business with cloudy prospects, that's not growing, and that's peripheral to the rest of the stuff they do.
I have to admit that I was taken off-guard by the news that Cisco was unceremoniously shutting down its Flip line of video cameras. I mean, I knew that Cisco CEO John Chambers sent out an internal email a few weeks ago indicating that some big changes were in the works in response to the company's drift over the past few years, but even so it's still relatively uncommon for a company to just kill off a giant product line wholesale like that. Especially one that was bought for the princely sum of $590 million just a couple of years ago.
There are probably two big reasons why Cisco did this. One is that despite acquiring both Linksys and Pure Digital, the maker of Flip cameras, in a quixotic effort to move in this direction, Cisco has never felt totally comfortable being in the consumer electronics business. Enterprise has always been the heart of their business, and it's understandable that they've made a strategic decision to focus on that -- though Cisco shareholders probably wish they'd come to that conclusion before blowing a huge amount of cash. (I'm very curious to see what they end up doing with Linksys.) The other big reason, and the one most people are focusing on, is that the market for Flip cameras has taken a hit now that most decent smartphones can record HD video.
Now, I don't think that the rise of smartphones that can record HD automatically means there's no market for Flip cameras. In fact, I think there's a decent market for standalone devices in general, and there are plenty of reasons why someone might buy a Flip camera even if they own an HD-capable smartphone (like to give to a child, use on a trip, or because you don't want to kill your phone's battery). But is it a growing market? Probably not, and this is an important distinction to make. There is a difference between a market that's flat out disappeared and one that's just not growing anymore, and all indications are that Flip was not going to see anywhere near the dramatic rise in sales it saw late last decade. So while to a gigantic growth-obsessed company like Cisco (remember at one point they had the highest market cap of any company in the world) it may have seemed like there was no good reason to keep around a business unit that was destined to stagnate, I'm sure that Kodak, which has a line of rival products, is not at all unhappy that Flip is getting out of the game.
Was it better to just call things quits, lay off 550 hardworking people, and call it a day? Couldn't they have found someone interested in buying it? It's not hard to imagine someone finding value in the brand and paying at least a couple hundred million for Flip, but sometimes it makes more sense from a financial standpoint to shut something down and take a tax write-off rather than sell it at a loss. Whatever the specifics, it appears that Cisco's accountants made a successful case for that.
Of course, the larger question is whether there was something Cisco could have done to keep Flip relevant and increase sales. Perhaps, but no matter what it was definitely going to be tough. There's no getting around the fact that as smartphones have gotten more powerful they've absorbed the functionality of a variety of different gadgets. Over the past few years we've seen cameras, media players, GPS navigation units, game consoles, and e-book readers all challenged in one way or another by the rise of all-in-one devices.
It's not hard to see why. A phone is a must-have item -- it's not like you're going to pick owning a video camera over owning a phone -- if your phone can adequately replace another device you're probably going to think twice before buying one. Increasingly consumers are only buying the standalone version of something when there's a distinct advantage to doing so. Examples include buying a nice digital SLR for taking photos, a tiny MP3 player for jogging, a portable game console to get better games, or a Kindle for reading books because the battery life is better and e-ink can be easier on the eyes.
A standalone product can have a tough time when that distinct advantage is small; it's why we're seeing point-and-shoot digital camera sales stagnate while more and more people use their smartphone for snapping casual pics. There was a point when Flip cameras had a big advantage over phones: they could record HD video at a time when virtually no phones could. In fact, they thrived in what turned out to be a relatively narrow window that existed after the price of camera sensors and flash memory dropped enough to make a simple, inexpensive HD camcorder practical, but before those components got cheap enough to start showing up in smartphones. Once that window closed it's natural that they'd see growth flatten: anyone who owned a phone with HD video capabilities wasn't going to buy a Flip camera just to do some quick and dirty HD video recording. It's not as if the quality of the video on a Flip camera is anything special, anyone doing any serious videography will probably spring for something fancier.
So to stay in the game Cisco needed to either drop prices to a point where consumers might buy a Flip camera in addition to their phone (and given how aggressively priced they already are, that'd probably have to be in the area of fifty bucks, which I'm sure would demolish whatever small margin they're making on these things) or constantly try to stay ahead of smartphones in terms of features and functionality. Given that we're years away from consumer adoption of a successor to 1080p (YouTube's support for 4K notwithstanding), Cisco couldn't pin its hopes on a wave of consumers upgrading to new higher resolution models anytime soon. Certainly a WiFi-enabled version that would let you do high-def video conferencing would have attracted some interest, and I suspect somewhere inside Cisco there's someone who was working on a 3D Flip camera, but neither would be enough to spur the kind of growth Cisco would be looking for.
It's an odd end for any consumer electronics brand to come to, and one that we don't see all that often. Remember that it's not exactly like Flip was failing and on the verge of collapse. They're estimated to have done about $400M in revenue last year, and it's not hard to imagine a less assertive CEO taking the path of least resistance and just letting them lumber along for a few more years. Eventually something would have happened, though, it's hard to imagine Cisco keeping around a business with cloudy prospects, that's not growing, and that's peripheral to the rest of the stuff they do.
I think it's pretty obvious to me that Cisco obtained Pure Digital for its patent library, its engineers and pretty much nothing else. I agree that they were never comfortable about entering the consumer electronics business because they didn't intend to be there long from the start. The right company would have been able to market the Flip properly. Add in a touchscreen or wifi and immediately Flip cameras gain new life; no need to connect one to a computer if you can instantly beam a video to YouTube or Facebook like you can with an iPhone, iPod Touch or Android device. Instead, Flip dies a quiet death. Shame, really.
PRICE could have saved it. Make the flip $50 and it gets sold. Otherwise, who the heck is going to pay $200-300 for a Flip when the iPod touch and iPhone are there? Or any other smartphone for that matter? My HTC Incredible cost me $99 and it does HD video. It doesn't make sense to pay more money for less features and have to carry around another device.
But the iPod point stands. You buy a current gen iPod for as low as $219 and get an HD camcorder with the addition of everything an iOS device does. There's no comparison.
The camera on the iPod touch 4th-gen isn't even close to the camera on the iPhone 4:
arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2010/09/ipod-touch-4...
"The rear-facing camera will record 720p video at 30 frames per second, but only manages still images of 720 x 960 pixels—that's a measly 0.69 megapixels. Furthermore, the lens has an angle of view that seems to approach 40mm equivalent and is fixed-focus (not autofocus)."
I've seen it in action; it's pretty crappy.
arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2010/09/ipod-touch-4...
"The rear-facing camera will record 720p video at 30 frames per second, but only manages still images of 720 x 960 pixels—that's a measly 0.69 megapixels. Furthermore, the lens has an angle of view that seems to approach 40mm equivalent and is fixed-focus (not autofocus)."
I've seen it in action; it's pretty crappy.
What is weird here is the combination of buying Flip in 2009 and then shutting it down in 2011. It is clear that it won't be a high volume business, but it is still among the bestsellers in amazon. I do not understand why it wasn't better to keep producing it, no changes, reduce the price and at least recoup some money.
As to why not sell the whole thing, my guess is that there is valuable intellectual property Cisco wants to keep.
As to why not sell the whole thing, my guess is that there is valuable intellectual property Cisco wants to keep.
Is easy now for me to say but I always believed that Cisco was crazy by buying Flip because all smartphones have a video camera. They're not as good as a flip but every body has the with then. And then you see things like iMovie or Vimeo for iPhone...
I think where Cisco misfired with Flip was in missing what the Flip camera really is - it's a superb one-trick pony as long as you don't expect too much from it. For me, it was a way to record my daughter's UC graduation, as well as a way to make a vids of my drive from L.A. to Berkeley, and the family party which followed, all without exhausting the battery on my phone. It's been a great work tool for making teaching vids, and for shooting fun pieces for YouTube and Patch. I've got three iPods, and I've had two phones since I got my Flip. Cisco never gave me a reason to update, so I've just got the one Flip, and it's great. What we didn't need was a paisley-pink Flip, or a shiny chrome (chrome? really?) Flip. What we did need was a better Flip, maybe with a mic input, maybe wi-fi enabled. (Not sure that we needed a 3D Flip, but that would have been a kind of progress, at least. SONY's 3D Bloggie will have to do.) I don't think the Flip was going to be for everybody, not really. You have to be shooting a lot of video to need a separate device, and, after the novelty goes away, who does that? If you do shoot that much video, you immediately "get" the Flip, especially the advantage of saving both battery and RAM in your phone. If Cisco bought Flip to make a killing, that was simply a bonehead move. Maybe it was all about patents, or code, or just a shot in the dark to put the Cisco name on a consumer device. It does seem odd that Cisco couldn't have found a way to keep it going, but I don't think they really had any interest.
Flip was way too slow in adding wifi syncing to its cameras. It needed one touch upload to YouTube and bump syncing with smartphones. Additionally they needed to be to match iMovie in video editing on mobile.
This was always a weird acquisition for Cisco, they're not consumer focused and weren't ready to react to the market properly.
This was always a weird acquisition for Cisco, they're not consumer focused and weren't ready to react to the market properly.
Yes, Flip could have been saved. The answer is licensing. Flip should have been more than just a handful of cheap cameras. They should have licensed their codecs, and their software, and put it on more platforms. Consider this: "The HTC Bazinga, with Flip Video." The HTC Bazinga (or whatever) would shoot to the exact same format as all the other Flip cameras (so consumers can be assured of compatibility: if it worked with their old Flip camera, it'll work with their fancy new phone), it would have the same Flip Share software on the phone, for use when mounted on a PC or Mac, and would also have its own Flip Share software for running on the phone itself. This way the phone manufacturer can differentiate itself from other manufacturers by saying, "hey, look! We have video editing! The same kind you all know and love! It's on the phone, and on your PC! One stop shop!" and it doesn't have to go to all the trouble of mucking around with developing software itself.
While they're at it, they could have produced Flip branded software for video editing on the iPhone/iPod Touch, and maybe WebOS and/or BlackBerry OS (OK, pretty far fetched, but you get the idea). Throw software on Windows Phone 7 too. Make it about ubiquity: build an ecosystem that consumers can trust, then license it everywhere. Put it in Ūmi: allow people to record "Flip" video with it. Maybe even build a sort of Flip Hub into higher end Linksys routers: let people store their home videos on the router (or storage attached to the router, or the router can simply know which computers have videos on them and then act as a traffic cop of sorts).
Of course, I'm sure Flip cameras would have continued to sell. I can think of a few college courses that used Flip Ultras and Flip Ultra HDs as part of the class. They were cheap, they were simple to use, they were durable, and they had on-board editing software. Plus, if students wanted to get more ambitious they could also bring footage in to iMovie, Windows Movie Maker, Premiere or Final Cut Pro (even Avid Media Composer if they were willing to transcode the video first). I can see these being a preferable option for various organizations instead of handing out more expensive camcorders, or iPod Touches. Yes, Flip had competitors in Kodak and Sony, but so long as they kept pace (or their price point kept them attractive) with them, it could have been a rather vibrant marketplace.
Still, at least there are viable replacements out there.
While they're at it, they could have produced Flip branded software for video editing on the iPhone/iPod Touch, and maybe WebOS and/or BlackBerry OS (OK, pretty far fetched, but you get the idea). Throw software on Windows Phone 7 too. Make it about ubiquity: build an ecosystem that consumers can trust, then license it everywhere. Put it in Ūmi: allow people to record "Flip" video with it. Maybe even build a sort of Flip Hub into higher end Linksys routers: let people store their home videos on the router (or storage attached to the router, or the router can simply know which computers have videos on them and then act as a traffic cop of sorts).
Of course, I'm sure Flip cameras would have continued to sell. I can think of a few college courses that used Flip Ultras and Flip Ultra HDs as part of the class. They were cheap, they were simple to use, they were durable, and they had on-board editing software. Plus, if students wanted to get more ambitious they could also bring footage in to iMovie, Windows Movie Maker, Premiere or Final Cut Pro (even Avid Media Composer if they were willing to transcode the video first). I can see these being a preferable option for various organizations instead of handing out more expensive camcorders, or iPod Touches. Yes, Flip had competitors in Kodak and Sony, but so long as they kept pace (or their price point kept them attractive) with them, it could have been a rather vibrant marketplace.
Still, at least there are viable replacements out there.
I think it's more of Cisco not knowing how to compete in this field. I was in the market for a pocket camcorder and went with the Kodak Playsport because it had better features and flexibility.
Where I think the Flip failed is the lack of flexibility. Of course, it was great to keep things simple, but more advanced features never really turned me on. Plus, being stuck with 8GB of video for such a high price was not good. The Playpsort allows for more storage, has swappable batteries that were not an overpriced accessory, came with a HDMI cable, AND was waterproof.
If Cisco tried hard enough, they would've competed but they just kind of dangled and now other pocket camcorders are better.
Now if smartphone manufacturers would just come out with waterproof phones, I would consider ditching the gadget field altogether.
Where I think the Flip failed is the lack of flexibility. Of course, it was great to keep things simple, but more advanced features never really turned me on. Plus, being stuck with 8GB of video for such a high price was not good. The Playpsort allows for more storage, has swappable batteries that were not an overpriced accessory, came with a HDMI cable, AND was waterproof.
If Cisco tried hard enough, they would've competed but they just kind of dangled and now other pocket camcorders are better.
Now if smartphone manufacturers would just come out with waterproof phones, I would consider ditching the gadget field altogether.
So to be honest, I'm normally a passive follower of tech news (I read blogs and listen to podcasts religiously, but I don't normally comment, have my own blog, or do a podcast). But when I heard that Cisco was shutting down the Flip line, I had a response that I don't normally have; the journalistic need to dig further and figure out the 5 W's. At first I was just so shocked that they were shutting it down, and then I was appalled at the fact that they weren't selling off the business to someone else. The latter seemed like an obvious move, after all, someone out there would want to buy this profitable company right? Logitech? Microsoft? Maybe even YouTube or Facebook? But when I read this story and analysis about the it, I really came to realize what the situation was. I'm almost certain now it must have been a tax break issue. Otherwise, not selling the business off seems truly bone-headed, almost as bone-headed as an enterprise company purchasing what is so clearly a consumer device. The other interesting point you made, was regarding the addition of Wi-Fi to make it a HD video conferencing device. That would have started to actually be in line with what Cisco already does. And lastly Flip could have easily licensed their technology and put them into smart phones. Something like the LG Star with a built-in Flip Camcorder, or HTC Cinema with Flip.
I may have had this response partially because I just bought the Kodak Zi8 the other day, partially for work and partially for a trip to Europe I'm taking where my Nexus One battery would not have lasted nearly as long and I wanted 1080p. Situations like this where a single purpose device make you realize that sometimes the phrase "Jack of all trades, master of none" really rings true.
I may have had this response partially because I just bought the Kodak Zi8 the other day, partially for work and partially for a trip to Europe I'm taking where my Nexus One battery would not have lasted nearly as long and I wanted 1080p. Situations like this where a single purpose device make you realize that sometimes the phrase "Jack of all trades, master of none" really rings true.
They could have increased the battery life and added 3D and maybe Wi-Fi for 3D YouTube Direct or something like that for like $200 32gb with an SD slot for more memory.
When I read John Chambers' recent memo to employees (bit.ly/h9bBNa), I said to myself "Flip is toast". A bit surprised, though, that a complete shut-down rather than a fire-sale was ordered...no viable offers from the market, I suppose. My guess is that Linksys will soon suffer the same fate...a mostly unremarkable product line. The umi consumer telepresence system is being moved to the enterprise group, but odds are that it overlaps with existing products...umi will eventually fade from view.







