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Can HP turn around the TouchPad?

The first reviews of HP's TouchPad tablet are in and if I were Jon Rubenstein I'd be worried. The TouchPad was one the most anticipated devices of the year, but there was a palpable sense of disappointment in most of the reviews I read. Several noted a number of issues with the device, including relatively poor battery life, surprisingly buggy software, a relatively paltry selection of apps, and, to top it all off, that it's actually heavier and bulkier than just about every other rival device. I don't think I saw a single review recommending that people run out and buy one -- or even one offering any compelling reasons why someone might buy one over the alternatives.

It wasn't all bad, of course. Most everyone liked webOS's elegance, and many described the TouchPad as being "promising" or "having potential", something that HP's Jon Rubinstein seized on in an email to his team attempting to lift morale in the face of all these tepid reviews. The problem is that it's not enough for webOS to be something that might potentially be good someday. We've been hearing about webOS's promise ever since it was first unveiled way back in January of 2009, and ever since then we've seen device after device that has failed to live up to the potential of the thoughtful OS powering it.

Yes, last year's acquisition of Palm by HP probably put the brakes on things for a little while, but, if you want to win, at some point you have to stop playing catch up and start getting ahead of your competitors. By the time HP issues software updates to address several of the TouchPad's most glaring problems, there's a good chance that Apple will have launched a third-generation iPad, one that might put HP even further behind the market leader. HP needed a game-changing, head-turning entry if they wanted to compete in the tablet wars, and it's hard to imagine them grabbing a sizable slice of the market with something that's just OK.

This puts HP, which made webOS the center of its mobile and connected device strategy when it bought Palm, in a difficult position. As I wrote in the newsletter last fall, HP simply cannot afford to be marginalized in the mobile space. If the TouchPad doesn't succeed -- and my guess is that it will only sell in modest numbers -- they're going to be even further behind than they already are. Remember, they made a big bet by going with their own platform rather than just using someone else's OS, but it looks fairly clear that the TouchPad isn't going to have the impact they wanted, at least not anytime soon.

So what happens now? Here are a few things HP might do, not all of which are mutually exclusive:

1. Cut its losses and get out.

I think this is unlikely given how much they've already invested into webOS as both a platform and a strategy, but it's entirely possible that HP CEO Leo Apotheker will decide to abandon it and go with something else for mobile devices. Why? Well, if you believe that webOS is unlikely to ever grab more than a few points of marketshare then there's no way to justify the massive investment in developing and maintaining your own operating system. They pinned their hopes on webOS, but it wouldn't be the first time a major player had to concede that they couldn't make it on their own (see Nokia). But, as I said, I think this is unlikely to happen.

2. Cut the price of the TouchPad

Here's the thing: it's not just enough to come up with something that's about as good as the iPad. You have to give consumers a compelling reason to buy your product over the alternatives, and apart from a nice UI there don't seem to be a whole lot of reasons to buy a TouchPad over an iPad or even a Honeycomb tablet. As painful as it would be for HP's bottom line, they probably should have priced the TouchPad at $399 and positioned it as an iPad-quality tablet without the iPad price. It's not hard to see plenty more people deciding to buy one at that price and it'd give them a very clear point of differentiation with the iPad.

3. Double down and do whatever it takes to make the TouchPad great -- just don't take too long to do it

Cutting the price would help things, but if HP doesn't want to cut its margin they absolutely need to improve the product (doing both would be even better). Samsung responded to the iPad 2 by reworking the Galaxy Tab 10.1 to make it thinner and lighter, and, even if it was painful, it was probably the right thing to do.

HP has already poured a lot of money and effort into webOS, but it doesn't look like those efforts are going to pay off in this first-generation TouchPad, which means they're going to need to spend even more time and money to make some drastic improvements to both its hardware and software -- and do it quickly, since the TouchPad was already late to the game. Along the way, they absolutely need to come up with some killer features to differentiate it from the other tablets out there, too (things like Touch-To-Share are a good start, but probably not enough). That won't be easy, but that shouldn't be impossible for a company with the slogan "Invent".

4. Do more to attract developers

As much as we focus on the devices themselves, this is ultimately a battle between ecosystems, and to win that battle you need a big library of quality apps. The challenge there is that you get this chicken-and-egg problem where users don't want devices without apps and devs don't want to make apps for devices without users. If you can get over that hump, like Android and iOS have, you can create something of a network effect that can really drive platform adoption, but it's a really hard thing to do and it's not totally clear how many different ecosystems that market can or will support.

I don't doubt that HP has been working really hard at attracting developers and it looks like they've gotten more apps built for the TouchPad than Google has for Honeycomb. However, they're still not anywhere close to the number of apps for the iPad, and you can't really blame devs for focusing on those platforms where they think they can make the most money. Offering good, easy-to-use development tools and doing tons of outreach is important, but until webOS reaches some kind of critical mass HP probably doesn't have a ton of options besides just paying people to make apps for their platform. Microsoft has done this with Windows Phone, and, while it hasn't magically solved all their problems, it has helped them grow their app catalog to a pretty decent size quickly considering how small its userbase is.

5. Find partners

There are already some rumblings that HP would like to license webOS to third parties like Samsung that might be afraid of becoming overly reliant on Google and Microsoft. Would this be a smart thing for HP to do? Well, it would certainly help them reach the scale that webOS needs, but it also would put HP in the awkward position of building and selling webOS devices that would compete against those of its licensees. This, of course, is exactly the position that Palm found itself in just over a decade ago, and the result then was a disastrous split of the company into a hardware business and an OS business. I'm not sure that history would repeat itself, but deciding to license webOS to other manufacturers isn't as simple as just handing them some code. It'd require HP to adjust its entire strategy, and having to keep partners happy may actually slow down their ability to innovate and roll out new improvements to both the OS and hardware.

6. Focus on enterprise

After last week's reviews there were a handful of interviews with HP execs insisting that they weren't going after the iPad at all and that the TouchPad's true target was enterprise users. Positioning the TouchPad as an enterprise device could potentially be a good way to segment the market (Cisco is definitely doing this and RIM is sort of trying to do this). One of HP's advantages here is that it already has sales relationships with tons and tons of companies of all sizes, and I'm sure they will try to position the TouchPad as a secure, enterprise-ready option that'll work with existing infrastructure.

If enterprise is HP's real focus, should they even pay much attention to the consumer market? It's a tough question to answer, but it may be difficult to do both at the same time. While there is obviously going to be a lot of overlap, what businesses will need out of a tablet will often be very different than what consumers are looking for. You can't just declare that your tablet is "enterprise-ready" and sell them bundled with laptops and servers, you have to make sure that your product supports the security and management tools that any decently-sized company is going to need before it feels comfortable deploying a new piece of hardware to its employees. It sounds like HP is making a big push here, but even they admit that the pieces aren't all in place yet and so it may be a long time before enterprise IT departments feel comfortable making that investment. Could HP gain an edge over Apple by focusing entirely on the needs of enterprise customers?

What happens next?

Introducing a better product at a better price with tons of apps and all sorts of fancy new features is a tall order, but it's basically table stakes if you want to make a dent in the burgeoning tablet market. For better or for worse, Apple is doing so much better than everyone else that the tablet market may end up like the portable media player market was a few years back, with one product (i.e. the iPod) dominating everyone else. That would be an absolutely awful outcome, and while its encouraging that there are so many companies trying to compete, fighting to be second-best is not exactly inspiring. I don't know what HP will do next, but I do know that if they want to make webOS anything more than a footnote in history they need to start delivering on those promises.

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MikeyrInFL

Forgive me for being slightly off topic. I have to say that it's refreshing to participate in a forum discussing tech, devices and OS. that has not degenerated into fanboyz mindlessly flaming one another. Kudos to all participants!
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fraseringermany

I just used a touchpad for the first time and I was nicely surprised. Given all the bland reviews I was expecting it to be a bit of a stinker, but I found the OS to work rather well. Transitions were smooth and apps all seemed to run quite as I expected it to.

Maybe if I was running it side by side with an ipad more of the lag I read about would have been apparent, but it seemed like a good product to me. I think a soft touch back like on the Pre3 would be a big improvement though, the massive smudging was pretty ugly on the unit I tried.
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microbreak

I had the same impression. My parents bought a touchpad and I gave it a spin side-by-side with my iPad 2 and it fared pretty well. It did not stall, lag, or skip a beat. However, the touchpad had very little data on it. Perhaps it bogs down once you input all your email accounts, Skype info, Facebook info, etc..
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rcereghino

I usually root for the underdog, as I did when the original iPhone came out and it was called a toy. I really like my Pre2, WebOS and agree that it still feels beta-ish in some aspects. Anyhow I plan to stick with it and reeeeaaallly hope it gets better / faster soon.
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jtxiii

Their slow time-to-market is what's killing them. No Pre 3 before the fall? They are just shooting themselves in both feet.
I haven't seen any indication from HP they are taking this issue seriously. All they say is "it's not a sprint, it's a marathon". But even in a marathon, you need to be faster than your competition.
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blackfish

This is very true. The Veer didn't come out here in Canada and no announcement on if/when the Pre3 is coming to Canada. That Touch-to-Share feature is AFAIK only on these two phones so if we don't get them, then that's a useless feature here.
Another knock is there is no announcement again AFAIK about any media stores in Canada or other locations outside the USA.
Music is supposed to come from the Amazon mp3 store, which is US only so far. TV shows and Movies? Dunno.
Sure these may come in time, but again will people buy a product now hoping that the features they want will come in the future? I certainly would never recommend that strategy.
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DewWorm

You can use music, movies, and TV downloads from iTunes - just transfer them onto the TouchPad from your computer.
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barkerja

iTunes music is DRM free meaning it can be put onto other devices; movies and tv shows acquired through iTunes however, isn't.
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blackfish

As Barkerja says, you wont be able to (legally) play DRM video bought from iTunes. Also I would hazard to guess that many TouchPad buyers are buying it because it is NOT an Apple product. They will likely want to have a unique set of tools to manage it.
People who pirate video should have no problem, once they re-encode it to something that works.
We're talking about a business here though. HP wont make much money from the pirate community. Apple is making BILLIONS from the iTunes stores... HP could really use some of this revenue to continue improving WebOS.
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cass

As far as apps go, I don't think HP needs the biggest app ecosystem to be successful. I have an iPad and I only use a few core apps like the Safari, Twitter, Youtube, etc... If they can cover the top apps that people use and provide an awesome experience, similar to what they did with the Facebook app, then I think the lack of apps wouldn't be too much of an issue.
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erosen03

Absolutely agree with you.
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kurzweil

What is the point of this article? Just about everybody who has bought a TouchPad is very happy. I don't understand what there is to 'turn around'.

Most of the knocks on the device seem to be based on alterior motives or simply come from uneducated sources who seem to have never had a TouchPad in their own hands.

Just about every single TouchPad user has glowed about the battery life. There are more TouchPad apps on launch day than there were Android Tablet apps on Launch day. I've heard a ton of people say they prefer the feel of the HP tablet in their hands versus the Apple device.

Is HP now the new Apple? Superior devices fighting against the establishment for mindshare? Easier to use, yet more powerful. Satisfied and enthusiastic purchasers. Bitter resentment from the establishment. Sounds familiar.
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groovechicken

We must "hang" in different circles. The people I have listened to talk about their hands-on experience all complain that it gets slow and laggy over the course of the day and requires reboots several times a week. While they like WebOS, their main complaints are hardware and performance. And that is coming from people who desperately wanted this to be the best tablet out there, so I don't think they have ulterior motives... unless you consider disappointment an ulterior motive.

I was a huge proponent of what WebOS was on paper before it was released, and was strongly leaning toward buying the Pre. They have yet to release a compelling piece of hardware running WebOS, though, so I have lost interest. It's hard to overcome a hardware design disaster as huge as the Pre. It will be a long time before I trust them to make solid hardware after that fiasco... especially now that they are an HP division.
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eid

Just bought a Touchpad. (Have Pre+ and Iphone 4 also) Taskswitching or multitasking is great as usual. Notifications are great. Web browser is good but not great in speed. Bookmark organization seems lacking. Url sharing will be good when Veer gets updated or Pre 3 for those who want webOS phones. Synergy is great. Lag is intermittently present but most operations are quick. Some apps load slowly thought and that IS irritating. Kindle and HP Movie apps aren't up yet. I find the hardware fine. I don't need ultrathin and light like Ipad2 or Galaxy. (lack of rear camera seems to bother reviewers alot but I don't need a $600 10" tablet to take bad pictures or risk falling to the ground ) The device hasn't crashed since I got it. Most legacy apps version 1.x seem to work well. HP needs to add the last core apps - quick office editor, optimize the os more to remove some mystery pauses, speed up app load times, add to app store and it will get some consumer sales and many more enterprise buyers. What other features do people need? Except really good apps.

Amazon prices have dropped $30 in 1 week on the TP 32 gb version. So prices will continue to come down. The most important thing is HP doesn't need to sell alot the first year. Their enterprise, consulting forms the bulk of their 120 billion business. This is an investment so they have a stake in the mobile space. I'm not giving HP/webOS a free pass. They should have optimized the OS software further and put major core apps in complete form. But it's a good tablet right now and with next update it should be very good. (if it's not in 30 days, I'll consider alternatives) The TP will be a good 2nd place tablet in a market that needs viable contenders to Ipad. RIM hasn't done well, Androids have the cutting edge hardware but fragmented OS and lackluster sales.
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blackfish

Congrats on the new shiny gadget! Thanks for the frank first thoughts review. Hope you continue to enjoy it.
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peter

@kurzweil

As of last month Apple has sold 25 million iPads ( www.appleinsider.com­/articles­/11­/06­/07­/ipad­_sales­_... ).

How many TouchPads will HP sell in its first year do you think?
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DewWorm

I have come to the obvious conclusion that there are a whole lot of folks who love to bash anything of the non-iOS variety. I really don't have a dog in this mobile OS fight. I am not "married" to any particular OS, having had original Palm OS, Windows mobile, Android, nondescript private party-type OS, and webOS. My favorite mobile OS is by far webOS, and I am planning to replace my iPad with a TouchPad. I had the first generation Palm Pre and loved the webOS, but prefer a landscape physical keypad, so I am currently using the Epic 4G. If HP creates a Pre or such phone with landscape physical keypad I will go back to that.

I have just simply "had it" with my iPad and am selling it. It was my first (and last) Apple product. I could hardly wait to get it, but soon became terribly disillusioned when the sites I wanted to access kept putting up the message that I needed the latest version of Flash to play their animations. In the end, I just felt that it was too limiting for me. I am happy for those who think the iPad is wonderful, but I am terribly disappointed in it and found myself using it very, very little after a few exasperating months of trying to make it work for me.

I am not that sold on tons of apps, but would like Google Maps type of app and TelNav type of GPS navigation program on the TouchPad. I actually like Google Maps, but want to be able to move the line in the directions window to change their routing when I see a shortcut I think is better - but I like being able to "see" my position on the path as I progress in Maps.

Another thing I would love to see in a future TouchPad is a slot for a 32GB or 64GB expansion card for keeping movies and TV shows on for viewing when traveling. Even my 64GB with 3G iPad couldn't hold all the movies and TV shows in addition to music, books, and other apps I wanted to take on a long trip, so I had to take my laptop to be able to transfer movie/TV files. An expansion slot would help solve that issue on the TouchPad.

I don't need 3G or 4G because I have a MiFi for traveling, so wifi capability is all I need in my tablet.

I simply don't understand the competitiveness of folks that drives them to bash anything other than their personal choice. Personally, I love having choices and am convinced that freedom of choice is what helps drive innovations that bring much joy to all our lives. Yes, I am one of those who say, "Can't we just all get along?", "We can disagree without being disagreeable.", and "Live and let live."
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barkerja

If you were a previous webOS user coming to the TouchPad, of course you're going to ‘glow’ about battery performance when all you have to compare is the Pre and/or Pixi.
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njashanmal

Frankly, it's tough and going to be an uphill battle on every front:

1. Mobile: Android, iPhone, Windows Phone - is there really room for another OS?

2. Tablets: it's still basically all iPad, all the time. Android has a long way to go and may or may not get there. The Playbook is as good as dead. So there's a chance to be #2 but would it be phyrric, short-lived victory? Especially with Windows 8 hovering in the wings...

3. Enterprise: this may be the most crowded space of them all. While HP certainly has strong relationships and a significant server business it has to a large extent been built on a Wintel foundation. Can it leverage these relationships? Google is making a play with Chrome OS. Apple has sort of a passive enterprise business. Microsoft remains the gold standard here and has the advantage of being hardware independent...
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srinivasmurty

The developers, the software ecosystem, and the "awesomeness" of the product - all of these have to play an equal part in developing this product. HP's size and their general approach to commercial products is going to weigh like a very heavy anchor as they try to beat the other tablet players. Plus, the quality of their consumer hardware, particularly their laptops, leaves a lot to be desired. I think the TouchPad suffers the same problems. Despite having a pretty slick OS, I foresee a time when HP will relegate this to a nice, touch-screen OS for their printers and nothing much else.
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MikeyrInFL

I wish I could argue with you. However, as I sit here trying to keep my fairly new HP notebook from overheating and trying to keep my 2 yo Palm Pre from disintegrating before I can choose a replacement, it ain't easy.
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fraseringermany

I tried a pre3 today and it was awesome. it was everything the Pre2 should have been but better.
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MikeyrInFL

I'd look at a Pre3 if they were on another carrier. Considering a Pre3 is also more of a leap of faith than I'm willing to take as my Pre-disintegrates. Meh...
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fraseringermany

Build quality is solid on the Pre3 that I handled. It was even tighter than the veer, which is already a world better than the pre minus.
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kelz

HP definitely has some catching up to do, but I don't think it is out of the game just yet. A very disappointing start, but I think that with quick updates to iron out the bugs, discounts, and a strong app development push they should at least beat Android in the short term. And right now that' s who their target should be, Android, not Apple. You can't go from off the chart to number 1 overnight, yet for some reason everyone has expected them to do just that.

HP has some wiggle room in their profit margin to offer discounts on the Touchpad, so you should expect to see that happening, especially around the holiday season our for corporate volume buys. I'm not a developer, but I keep hearing good things about the relative ease in developing apps for webOS, especially when out comes to porting from iOS. Angry Birds came out on webOS before Android. If HP can convince current iOS app devs that porting to webOS is both profitable and painless, that app count should rise pretty quickly.

Touchpad has been a big letdown at launch, but HP has the resources to gain ground.
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Macadactyl

erosen03,
In product sales, one of the most unreliable people to use for consumer feedback is one within the timeframe of their purchase. People who just shelled $600 for a non-essential item will still be 'loving' whatever tablet they choose for a few months unless immediate buyer's remorse sets in and they return the product. Phones fall into the essential category for several people so market analysis will treat them differently. A more accurate appraisal of buyer satisfaction will be in the 3-6 month period. It may be just as positive but it will be far more accurate to the product team at HP. Until then, people with discretionary limits will do what they typically do; find a tech review site they have come to trust for unbiased opinion and places value on similar feature sets to their own values.
I have yet to see a reviewer I trust recommend the product so I will not be purchasing one in its current form.
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erosen03

I said people who have "used" a TP, not "purchased" one. In fact a large portion of the comments are from people who have simply gone to Best Buy to try one out side by side with the iPad. So while I believe your assertion about loving your $600 non-essential item is correct, it does not apply here. Besides, the same buyer's remorse can apply to the iPad or any tablet on the market.

"...find a tech review site they have come to trust for unbiased opinion...", relying on second-hand information, instead of trying one for themselves. That is the heart of the my comment, isn't it? I've used a WebOS device for about a year now, but my wife has had an iPhone for several years, and my grandmother-in-law has an iPad. I've been able to try both OSes, and I can say I definitely prefer WebOS devices over iOS devices.

I have seen the mediocre reviews but have also seen glowing comments from those who have tried a TP. Clearly there is a discrepancy, very similar in my mind to how many movies rate one way with critics but very differently with movie goers. I have a feeling I will like the TP, but the only way to know for sure is to go and try one out. Will I like it after extended use? Guess I could by one. Buyer's remorse? 30-day return policy. That's the beauty of retail. No problem.

Have you tried using a TouchPad?
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MusicMonkey5555

I agree. I have used all iOS devices, Android devices, and WebOS devices and while I haven't gotten an extensive test drive with Android like I have with iOS (had a tablet for a quarter for school) I prefer WebOS. Yes there are features I wish it had and apps it is missing, but it is an amazing OS that works very well and every aspect of it is intuitive and easy to use. My major complaint with the original Pre is just how darn slow it is. So when I heard that the Touchpad with much better hardware had the same latency it made me sad. And while I really need to try one out at best buy and see what the latency is like, I think they need to make this experience amazing. Yes $100 would probably make more people move, but having just as magical a touch experience on their devices as iOS devices comes down to that 1 to 1 touch. Once you do that and give people the chance to try it out and see how good it is, will get people to start buying the devices which will in turn bring over developers. I don't think it is dead for phones. I know people still deciding on devices and others switching from one to another. It just needs to be a compelling switch and from a functionality standpoint it is, it just needs that speed and feel of an iOS device.
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blackfish

I agree that this is feeling like the MP3 player market all over again. The iPod was NOT the best hardware/software on the market, but it just had some intangible factors that allowed it to snowball to where it ended up, #1 by a mile.
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peter

I'm actually surprised I haven't seen more people pointing this out. Everyone assumes it'll be like the smartphone market, where we have lots of players jostling for marketshare, but it could very easily end up like the MP3 player market where despite everyone's efforts no one was able to break Apple's stranglehold.
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blackfish

Yes, agreed. Its hard to see from these early days if the Tablet market is going to be a phase like PDA's or dedicated MP3 players or if we truly are in the Post PC era and we'll see an evolution similar to the PC. Which started with one main player, the IBM PC, a few scrappy upstarts like the Apple II, the C64 and eventually led to Wintel "PC Clone" vs Mac OS market we're in now.
I for one am enjoying my iPad WAY more than I enjoyed the IBM PC. (I was an an Amiga guy anyway ;)
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fraseringermany

I got my first job in order to earn money to buy an Amiga. At the moment, I see the tablet market as a cross between toys for the ultra nerd and mom-PCs.

The touchpad as a PC for non-computer user who still wants to experience the web, email and facebook. I know my mother would be able to figure it out.
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shul

Don't forget that the world's predominantly feature PCs and not Macs. US is not the only place you know.. The same is currently true for ipad vs the rest. I think that the separation between hardware (IBM/Intel) and software (MS) made this market open for competition, which was ultimately what apple used to dent Microsoft's hold, but with the iPad that is not the case - both hardware and software are in apple's hands and they are not sharing..
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MikeyrInFL

Never underestimate the power of mystique. Also, remember what finally did break Apple's stranglehold on the MP3 player market...the Smartphone. Specifically (and ironically), the iPhone which has always looked to me like an iPod Touch with a radio. I'm just saying that's what it looks like.
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impulse462

I agree, like the iPod, the iPad user experience is what keeps Apple on top. That is also the reason why other tablet manufactures can't come close, in terms of sales, to what the iPad is doing, let alone all the great applications that are only on the iPad.
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walid

Yeah, good point. Whenever I here "it just works" I think of Apple products. I don't particularly like Apple products because I usually like the extra or different functionality that comes in other products but when you get used to using what works for you, you don't have a reason to jump ship. I was so excited about the TouchPad only because of the software and particularly because of the multitasking implementation. From what I've heard from all tech journalists "it just works" doesn't apply to the TouchPad.
Disappointed.
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fraseringermany

Except for iTunes. the mantra of "it just works" applies less and less to that piece of software with every release. If there is one thing that motivates me to choose another tablet over the iPad it is iTunes as the only syncing and management solution.
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jimtravis

Massive iPod mainstream advertising by Apple vs. little to none for competitors due to lack of insight, or lack of $. Apple had 90%+ of the MP3 market, but did 95%+ of the mainstream advertising for portable music players.
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erosen03

Agreed. Everyone knew the dancing silhouette with the white headphones and the word "iPod". When the casual consumer went to the store, they didn't ask for an MP3 player, they asked for an "iPod".
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Samsara

The TouchPad has sold me on the idea of a tablet, but it's probably sold me on an iPad rather than itself. As a replacement for a casual couch surfing laptop, it's been a dream. Clicking Twitter and Google Reader links and watching Flash video must be half of what I do. I haven't seen any of the lag or buginess the reviews mention, which really has me dumbfounded; did HP send those out in debug mode or something?

Problem is, I bought a Pre at launch. I've had that experience of checking for system and app updates every day. Seeing that the Kindle app is a placeholder, and Citrix's "tech preview" is virtually useless in most organizations is leaving me with a very familiar kind of disappointment. Like looking in the mirror and admitting you've once again failed to quit your vice of choice.

The TouchPad deserved better than it got in most reviews, but there's no denying it missed the high expectations we keep allowing ourselves for all this wasted potential. I wish they'd just go away until they actually nail it.
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MikeyrInFL

@Samsara: I'm not sure I totally follow your 1st paragraph. You said, "The TouchPad has sold me on the idea of a tablet, but it's probably sold me on an iPad rather than itself." This made me think you were going for an iPad instead of a TouchPad. Then you said, "As a replacement for a casual couch surfing laptop, it's been a dream." Apparently, you did go for a TouchPad and not an iPad? What did you buy?

I also bought an original Pre from Sprint. Like you, I learned the hard way what happens to a device when the OS is great and the hardware is not. I had to replace my 1st Pre- and I still have the replacement. It has all the hardware vices everyone complained about...cracks in the side starting from the microUSB port and progressing up to the screen. Also, the microUSB port door fell out. I still have it in my car ashtray.

WebOS is now 2 1/2 years old. Even with the updates to 3.0 it still lacks hardware that lets it shine as it should. HP had best get it in gear and get it right. Otherwise, WebOS will become a footnote. Sad...
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Samsara

I bought a TouchPad, which convinced me I really do benefit from a tablet. It meets my initial, limited set of needs very well, and allows me to get the laptop off the couch and back to the desk. But that is all it does right now, and many of the qualities that make WebOS pop on a phone (notifications, Synergy, Just Type), don't seem to mean much to me on the tablet in practice. I find myself wanting for games and video (that I don't have to transcode and sideload).

I'm now desperate to try living with an iPad during the return window. How much of that Flash video is available in HTML5? Can I accept the clicky button for switching apps? Can I really get XBMC on there streaming my MKVs?
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blackfish

Flash is not a deal breaker for me (typing to you on my iPad 1 now). There are apps for streaming mkvs etc. Then you can send them to your big tv via apple tv and AirPlay. It's fantastic.
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fraseringermany

are there solutions to have the ipad recognize a drive on your home network and stream media to the tablet? That would make the device more interesting to me as moving things via iTunes is something I don't really enjoy.
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jasona

I agree with what you said Peter. However as to what they can do, I don't think number 2 will be able to help them at all. Even at a $399 price point, it wouldn't attract consumers. Even at $100 dollars less, consumers could still think to myself, for $100 more I could have an iPad.

Options 4 & 5 might be the best bet. With 4, if they could enlist some high profile apps onto their platform and maybe some exclusives, this could be a compelling component.

And with 5, this I think they need to do stat. One thing I've always said about WebOS is I love the OS, but not a fan of their hardware. Palm and now HP, just hasn't done a piece of hardware that accents the OS. If they were to licenses to Samsung or HTC, I would definitely buy a WebOS smartphone or tablet.
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peter

It's entirely possible that cutting the price to $399 wouldn't make a difference, that is true. But I think it would probably help, and it'd very easily help them distinguish the TouchPad from the iPad and help communicate to consumers why they might buy one over an iPad. Price is still a very important consideration, especially in the US market.
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microbreak

Peter, if you think cutting the price will help, you haven't understood their problem. Their problem isn't that the device is too expensive, it is that their device is unpolished and lacks apps. The solution to those problems is to iron out the bugs and to lure developers. The easiest way to lure developers to a new platform is to dangle a carrot. Apple did this with iFund, and I believe microsoft copied this strategy as well. $1M is a good size to bring in developers to a platform that lacks users. Once the fund dries up, there should be enough apps to quell the concerns of most prospective buyers.
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peter

Windows Phone has over 25,000 apps now and that hasn't helped spur sales, so I'm not convinced that having more apps alone will solve this problem for them, I suspect that they need more apps AND a more polished device AND a more attractive price point.

And it's not that the device is too expensive, it's that it's too expensive compared with a product that, for better or worse, every other option has to definie itself against. Right now there's not a very clear case for why the average consumer would buy a TouchPad over an iPad. Price is probably the easiest way for them to differentiate right now. It doesn't solve all of their problems -- see above -- but it's hard to imagine it not helping.
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microbreak

The problem with cutting price is that it is a short term solution that hurts you in the long run (I'm reminded of the saying from the Nokia exec.... Pissing your pants to warm your legs). If you drop price you set an expectation for customers that a tablet is only worth $400, and trying to realign their budgets later becomes increasingly difficult.

At $500, with a decent app selection and a snappy interface, I think it would be a decent competitor to the iPad 2 (even though the Touchpad is bigger). The stereo speakers are a welcome surprise when watching videos (e.g., YouTube), the OS has a lot of great things that Apple hasn't yet feature-matched, and phone integration that is industry leading. That's enough differentiation to earn respectable unit sales.
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jimtravis

Peter:

Agree apps alone do not guarantee an increase in sales. One of the problems with WP7 is the lack of enthusiasm for the platform by the US carriers. When I purchased the HD7 (excellent device) the day after it was released, there were no units on display at the busy T-Mobile store I visited. When I asked to see one, I got the "I think we have one charging out back" response. After about 6 minutes, the rep returned with a HD7. His knowledge of the platform could fit in a thimble with a plethora of room left. I bought one because I am a gadget geek, not because of the "could not care less" attitude of the sales rep.

I know my experience is anecdotal, but I have seen many similar posts on many tech sites. WP7 is very smooth / slick, but like iOS, too restricted, and controlled to be my daily driver.
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